[AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events.

Tue Aug 2 18:01:03 AEST 2022

I'm just an academic (from Malta) whose research depends on and concerns
dissemination of information on telecoms networks and
reading that a presenter at a conference would ask   "don't stream, don't
share slides" is puzzling and disconcerting ...

Cheers,

Etienne

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:53 AM Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net> wrote:

> its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous
> presenters have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides".
>
> i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff that is
> recorded or streamed...
>
> Cheers,
> Terry
> --
> Mobile device, don't expect grammar.
>
> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield <
> Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
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> 
>
> I’m not buying that this is the case because any single person considering
> 300 people have laptops out could record this at any time whether Video or
> Audio.
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> NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for RPAS with
> companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other military industrial
> complex types talking and it was all streamed privately with an NDA agreed
> too when opening the stream, we’re way past the days of someone saying
> something in a room being private and if the other NOG’s can do it then why
> is Australia special….
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> *On Behalf Of *Shaun Deans
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM
> *To:* Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net>
> *Cc:* AusNOG Mailing List <ausnog at ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events.
>
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>
> All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time.
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> All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board have done.
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> It's now up to the community to make choices.
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> The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's advocate
> from my arm chair.
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> I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and available form
> that works for everyone.
>
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>
>
> Cheers
>
> Shaun Deans
> 🧙‍♂️ kadeo.au
> 1800 WKD KDO
> 📱🏃‍♂️
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, <terry at terrym.net> wrote:
>
> Heh 😏 .666 of a seat ... cute 😂
>
>
>
> there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the
> network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet
> people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking
> with, those that you can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed
> and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone.
>
>
>
> my perspective, ymmv.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Terry
>
> --
>
> Mobile device, don't expect grammar.
>
>
>
> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans <shaun at kadeo.com.au> wrote:
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> 
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>
> Terry
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> You do raise a valid point and I hear your view.
>
>
>
> Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was
> just saying - what if.
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>
>
> > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s
>
> > All advice is general in nature /s
>
>
>
> But in the interest of healthy community debate:
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>
> Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room'
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>
>
> Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get
> 75% of the event.
>
>
>
> - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets.
>
>
>
> For every pro there is a con.
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> Innovation does not come without compromise.
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>
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> I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they
> receive.
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>
>
> Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat 😈
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>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Shaun Deans
> 🧙‍♂️ kadeo.au
> 1800 WKD KDO
> 📱🏃‍♂️
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, <admin at uberskilled.com> wrote:
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> I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)?
>
>
>
> - Whitey
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Shaun,
>
>
>
> are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters
> provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be
> shared. How does that factor into you math?
>
>
>
> That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be)
> many presentations you won't see on youtube.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Terry
>
> --
>
> Mobile device, don't expect grammar.
>
>
>
> On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans <shaun at kadeo.com.au> wrote:
>
> 
>
> It got the better of me and I'm glad it did.
>
>
>
> TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' *- Swag *
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>
>
> ---
>
>    1. Income
>
>
>    1. August 2022 =  ~ 300 Attendees
>       <https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2021/attendees>at $600 per
>       ticket (Average)
>       <https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2022/registration>
>       2. Total $180K
>       3. Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' → $90K
>
>
>    1. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ?
>
>
>    1. I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't
>       2. This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we
>       don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors
>       3. So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K
>
>
>    1. nice round number
>          2. and its 'nearly half'
>
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>    1. Streaming to to masses!
>
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>    1. 50%  Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300
>       2. Total Streams = $15,000 / $300
>       3. That's only *50 tickets and it may break even*
>
>
>    1. 3 people said they'd be interested already.
>
>
>    1. This doesn't include:
>
>
>    1. Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc
>       2. Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs[image: 🙄]
>
>
>    1. *Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s*
>    2. *All advice is general in nature  /s*
>
> [image: 🎤][image: 💁‍♂️]
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> SD.
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> On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans <shaun at kadeo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for
> those who can’t attend
>
>
>
> I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I
> have done just this for TedX.
>
>
>
> Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that
> against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads).
>
>
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> For an NOG we seem to be very offline [image: 🤷‍♀️]
>
>
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> <S>It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream.</s>
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> Cheers
>
>
>
> Shaun Deans
>
> [image: 🧙‍♂️]kadeo.au
>
> 1800 WKD KDO
>
> [image: 📱][image: 🏃‍♂️]
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, <k at rl.ag> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
>
>
> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I’d like you to respect the financial
> commitment I’ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as
> I’d like.
>
>
>
> This has historically always taken place and given the small community
> nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the
> experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage.
>
>
>
> I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the
> face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet
> with their industry peers but more importantly *friends.*
>
>
>
> How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for
> those who can’t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the
> event a safer place for all?
>
>
>
> Honestly.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> --
>
> *Karl Kloppenborg, **(BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA
> Linux+ XK0-004)*
>
> Managing Director, Invention Labs.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> on behalf of david at hughes.id <
> david at hughes.id>
> *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm
> *To: *AusNOG Mailing List <ausnog at ausnog.net>
> *Subject: *[AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events.
>
> Afternoon all,
>
> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April
> about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in
> particular branded t-shirts etc.  While everyone likes getting a bag full
> of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that
> our sponsors make towards funding the conference.  They cover almost half
> the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of
> you who attend.
>
> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the
> conference.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> David, on behalf of the Board
> ...
>
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Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale
Assistant Lecturer
Department of Communications & Computer Engineering
Faculty of Information & Communication Technology
University of Malta
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