[AusNOG] Telstra Wi-Fi calling on our network.

[Paul Brooks]

On 15/10/2019 5:09 pm, Paul Wilkins wrote:
> Well that is interesting Narelle, however, if it's anticompetitive to discriminately
> treat packet based VOIP traffic, then it is likewise anticompetetive to cross
> subsidise your circuit based business by shunting traffic over a competitors' packet
> based network. What's sauce for the goose etc.

a) Hot-Potato routing, a staple for Internet traffic-flows since forever, is all about
shunting traffic onto other people's networks as early as possible - this is basically
that - if there are two paths to get a packet to the handset - choose the best quality
path. Hot-Potato routing is hardly anti-competitive.

b) Its not your competitors traffic. Its your customers' traffic, requested by your
customers' devices attached to your customers' WiFi networks.

c) there was a time when it would be a cold day in hell before a telephone network
engineer would consider pushing a well-managed high-quality voice call over an
unmanaged, flaky, unknown, uncontrolled medium such as a best-efforts Internet
network, let alone a not-mine ISP network, let alone a (shudder) end-user WiFi
segment. That this is even a thing should be regarded as a testament to the
high-enough quality of Internet data networks no longer being considered a poor cousin
to an on-net end-to-end-managed carrier backbone network. Its not anti-competitive,
its pro-competitive admiration that your network is better than theirs in some
places.  Blocking it would indeed be anti-competitive.

Paul.



>    
> Kind regards
>    
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 14:45, Narelle Clark <narellec at gmail.com
> <mailto:narellec at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 10:14, <mike at ozonline.com.au
>     <mailto:mike at ozonline.com.au>> wrote:
>     >
>     > Also, anyone have any thoughts about what ACL one might put in place
>     > to block wifi calling if one was of a mind to?
>
>     The last time I had a conversation with the Chair of the ACCC about
>     deliberately degraded (poor or no performance of) VoIP on other
>     networks, he wasn't impressed...
>
>     The phrase anti-competitive behaviour was used... an eyebrow was raised...
>
>     People do notice when SIP, RTP etc stop working on networks, so it
>     really isn't a good idea.
>
>     That applies to the big players as much as it does to the smaller
>     ones, btw. If you want to release a new product or service, surely you
>     *want* to reach their customers too? And you want your customers
>     happy?
>
>     -- 
>
>
>     Narelle Clark
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