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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/10/2019 5:09 pm, Paul Wilkins
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<div dir="ltr">Well that is interesting Narelle, however, if it's
anticompetitive to discriminately treat packet based VOIP
traffic, then it is likewise anticompetetive to cross subsidise
your circuit based business by shunting traffic over a
competitors' packet based network. What's sauce for the goose
etc.<br>
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<p>a) Hot-Potato routing, a staple for Internet traffic-flows since
forever, is all about shunting traffic onto other people's
networks as early as possible - this is basically that - if there
are two paths to get a packet to the handset - choose the best
quality path. Hot-Potato routing is hardly anti-competitive.<br>
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<p>b) Its not your competitors traffic. Its your customers' traffic,
requested by your customers' devices attached to your customers'
WiFi networks.</p>
<p>c) there was a time when it would be a cold day in hell before a
telephone network engineer would consider pushing a well-managed
high-quality voice call over an unmanaged, flaky, unknown,
uncontrolled medium such as a best-efforts Internet network, let
alone a not-mine ISP network, let alone a (shudder) end-user WiFi
segment. That this is even a thing should be regarded as a
testament to the high-enough quality of Internet data networks no
longer being considered a poor cousin to an on-net
end-to-end-managed carrier backbone network. Its not
anti-competitive, its pro-competitive admiration that your network
is better than theirs in some places. Blocking it would indeed be
anti-competitive.</p>
<p>Paul.<br>
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Kind regards<br>
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Paul Wilkins<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 14:45,
Narelle Clark <<a href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">narellec@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 10:14, <<a
href="mailto:mike@ozonline.com.au" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mike@ozonline.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Also, anyone have any thoughts about what ACL one might
put in place<br>
> to block wifi calling if one was of a mind to?<br>
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The last time I had a conversation with the Chair of the ACCC
about<br>
deliberately degraded (poor or no performance of) VoIP on
other<br>
networks, he wasn't impressed...<br>
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The phrase anti-competitive behaviour was used... an eyebrow
was raised...<br>
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People do notice when SIP, RTP etc stop working on networks,
so it<br>
really isn't a good idea.<br>
<br>
That applies to the big players as much as it does to the
smaller<br>
ones, btw. If you want to release a new product or service,
surely you<br>
*want* to reach their customers too? And you want your
customers<br>
happy?<br>
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-- <br>
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Narelle Clark<br>
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