[AusNOG] More legislative interventions

[Bruce Forster]

I'd argue that whenever gov.co sticks its fingers into tech on any level
the outcome is never as expected...



On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 8:06 AM Nick Stallman <nick at agentpoint.com> wrote:

> The other part is that all the politicians keep whining about the
> dominance of Facebook and Google.
> Then they pass a law which effectively cements their dominance in place.
>
> Facebook and Google are at a size where they can actually put some
> serious money and effort in to these kinds of video analysis.
> Sure it still sucks, but they can at least attempt to do it.
>
> If I had a novel idea involving live streaming, I make a start up and it
> becomes popular.
> But a small start up in Australia has no hope of approaching the types
> of analysis that Facebook and Google can do.
>
> The politicians just use the same arguments they use with cryptography.
> "We pass the laws, you guys are smart and have algorithms. We are sure
> you can figure out how to comply."
>
> What the government should be doing is producing the video analysis
> algorithms themselves.
> Then the law can state that online companies must use their model to be
> compliant with the law.
> The responsibility then falls on to the government, startups are on
> equal footing as the dominant companies and complying is relatively easy.
>
> But that solution is hard (arguably unsolvable at the moment) and when
> the model inevitably fails the government wouldn't be able to make a
> bogeyman out of the big tech companies.
>
> On 9/4/19 9:33 pm, andy at coastalaudio.com.au wrote:
> > Let's see this wonderful "fingerprint" Paul...
> >
> > Video fingerprinting is used for copyright purposes and is of no use in
> > detecting "suspect" videos.
> > The AI algorithm required to do this would require a lot of processing
> > power.
> > Just how is a provider supposed to finance the development of said
> > algorithm...?
> > And then apply it in real time across an entire network?
> > The computational power required would be enormous, thus YouTube's abject
> > failure in this area.
> >
> > Open NSFW is an open source neural network that struggles with static
> > images...
> > How is a provider supposed to monitor video in real time?
> >
> > An interesting Open NSFW talk here -
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Bmt7tksvM
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Peter Fern
> > Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2019 2:30 PM
> > To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] More legislative interventions
> >
> > On 9/4/19 2:22 pm, Paul Wilkins wrote:
> >> 2 - Ensure you have in place a mechanism to match electronic
> >> fingerprints of material similar to anything identified in a eSafety
> >> Commissioner's notice.
> >>
> >> By the by, without a mechanism for the eSafety Commissioner to match
> >> content (a common mechanism for electronic fingerprinting material
> >> across hosting providers), the eSafety Commissioner will find
> >> themselves playing whack a mole chasing content specific to each
> >> hosting provider.
> > What do you think that looks like, exactly? You've brought up this
> magical
> > fingerprint technology multiple times, and been rebuffed multiple times,
> > with no response. I think it's irresponsible to suggest that this is an
> easy
> > solve.
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Bruce
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