[AusNOG] More legislative interventions

[Nick Stallman]

The other part is that all the politicians keep whining about the 
dominance of Facebook and Google.
Then they pass a law which effectively cements their dominance in place.

Facebook and Google are at a size where they can actually put some 
serious money and effort in to these kinds of video analysis.
Sure it still sucks, but they can at least attempt to do it.

If I had a novel idea involving live streaming, I make a start up and it 
becomes popular.
But a small start up in Australia has no hope of approaching the types 
of analysis that Facebook and Google can do.

The politicians just use the same arguments they use with cryptography.
"We pass the laws, you guys are smart and have algorithms. We are sure 
you can figure out how to comply."

What the government should be doing is producing the video analysis 
algorithms themselves.
Then the law can state that online companies must use their model to be 
compliant with the law.
The responsibility then falls on to the government, startups are on 
equal footing as the dominant companies and complying is relatively easy.

But that solution is hard (arguably unsolvable at the moment) and when 
the model inevitably fails the government wouldn't be able to make a 
bogeyman out of the big tech companies.

On 9/4/19 9:33 pm, andy at coastalaudio.com.au wrote:
> Let's see this wonderful "fingerprint" Paul...
>
> Video fingerprinting is used for copyright purposes and is of no use in
> detecting "suspect" videos.
> The AI algorithm required to do this would require a lot of processing
> power.
> Just how is a provider supposed to finance the development of said
> algorithm...?
> And then apply it in real time across an entire network?
> The computational power required would be enormous, thus YouTube's abject
> failure in this area.
>
> Open NSFW is an open source neural network that struggles with static
> images...
> How is a provider supposed to monitor video in real time?
>
> An interesting Open NSFW talk here -
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Bmt7tksvM
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Peter Fern
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2019 2:30 PM
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> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] More legislative interventions
>
> On 9/4/19 2:22 pm, Paul Wilkins wrote:
>> 2 - Ensure you have in place a mechanism to match electronic
>> fingerprints of material similar to anything identified in a eSafety
>> Commissioner's notice.
>>
>> By the by, without a mechanism for the eSafety Commissioner to match
>> content (a common mechanism for electronic fingerprinting material
>> across hosting providers), the eSafety Commissioner will find
>> themselves playing whack a mole chasing content specific to each
>> hosting provider.
> What do you think that looks like, exactly? You've brought up this magical
> fingerprint technology multiple times, and been rebuffed multiple times,
> with no response. I think it's irresponsible to suggest that this is an easy
> solve.
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