[AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

Fri Oct 19 11:31:01 EST 2018

Appeared this morning. Runs to 60pp vs 20pp for the Home Affairs submission.

https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=859d9cda-0f99-4bef-994f-edc6006c87bf&subId=661321

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:55, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd also venture the roll call for Friday is in no small degree window
> dressing for Saturday's Wentworth turnout. I did forward my letter to PJCIS
> onto Kerryn Phelps.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:48, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Committee is currently accepting submissions to this review.
>> Submissions should be provided no later than *12pm, Friday, 12 October
>> 2018.* An initial Public Hearing is expected to be held on Friday, 19
>> October 2018.  *Further Public Hearings will be scheduled for late
>> October or early November 2018.*
>>
>>
>> *https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018
>> <https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018>*
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:44, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Optus (Singtel)'s submission was soft touch, saying they'll impose
>>> whatever's required by government dictate. Pretty much to be expected given
>>> their parent company is Singapore based. As Rob points out, most making
>>> submissions won't be heard from. I'd go so far as to say this is by design.
>>> Some very critical views are not to be heard from.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>
>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 21:13, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> The schedule for the first day of public hearings on the 19th of
>>>> October (this Friday) has been released:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=false
>>>>
>>>> For those who don't wish to download the PDF document, the following
>>>> parties are scheduled to speak on this day:
>>>>
>>>> * The Department of Home Affairs.
>>>> * The Law Council of Australia.  This is an interesting one - it
>>>> appears (unless my eyes are failing me) that they did not make a submission
>>>> at all (or at least not one that the PJCIS has chosen to publish - their
>>>> submission numbering goes to 66, yet their website counts only 64
>>>> submissions - submissions 12 and 14 are missing).
>>>> * Optus "and others TBC".
>>>> * Ai Group "and others TBC" (interestingly, Ai Group is only one of the
>>>> parties involved in the cited submission - so they can't even attribute the
>>>> submissions to the correct/complete groups).
>>>> * Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" (noting that the
>>>> BSA submission is cited in the submissions pack for the day, but Amazon's
>>>> isn't - and nor is it listed on the main list of submissions).
>>>> * TBC.
>>>>
>>>> There's a pack of submissions (4 of them) relevant for the day - it's
>>>> here if anyone's keen (particularly useful given some of the oddities I'll
>>>> mention next):
>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=true
>>>>
>>>> Each is allocated a different time frame as well - DOHA have 60 minutes
>>>> allocated, the Law Council of Australia get 45 minutes, Optus "and others
>>>> TBC" get 45 minutes, Ai Group "and others TBC" receive 60 minutes, Amazon,
>>>> BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" receive 75 minutes, and then
>>>> the "TBC" section has a start time (3:15pm) but no finish time.
>>>>
>>>> It concerns me that as of nearly 9pm Sydney time on the 16th of October
>>>> that "and others TBC" and "TBC" is still undefined for hearings starting on
>>>> the 19th of October.  I expressed an interest in participating in the
>>>> public hearings on behalf of ITPA very early on in the consultation period
>>>> - yet IF we do get invited to attend the public hearing on the 19th,
>>>> they're giving me very little time to get myself down there (and to be
>>>> honest, I may not be able to attend at this late notice, given I would have
>>>> to make arrangements both at home and at work for me to travel to Canberra
>>>> on Friday).  I also can't start to plan for dates that aren't even
>>>> published yet.
>>>>
>>>> Another concern is that with "around 65" submissions made, only a very
>>>> small number of organisations have been invited to the public hearing - I
>>>> believe there was talk of further public hearing days been added, but
>>>> there's no indication of that on the PJCIS website at this stage - this is
>>>> particularly concerning when you look at some of the parties NOT yet
>>>> invited - organisations like Cisco, Telstra and Apple in particular given
>>>> that Optus, Amazon and BSA are invited).
>>>>
>>>> It will be interesting to see how things continue to run from here.  At
>>>> this stage, I am not seeing evidence that the appropriate level and breadth
>>>> of consultation will take place to ensure an appropriate outcome for
>>>> Australia.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 17:37, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Robert,
>>>>> When in Canberra, don't look for any support from PJCIS Chairman
>>>>> Andrew Hastie, who is a Dutton supporter, and one of the leading
>>>>> conspirators in rolling Turnbull.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 12:45, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> PJCIS is listing 37 submissions - way down on the 343 that were made
>>>>>> to the Department of Home Affairs, but hopefully they'll actually get read
>>>>>> and considered this time around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried to stick to ITPA's area of expertise (tehnology) in the hope
>>>>>> that other parties more qualified than us have focused on areas outside of
>>>>>> technology - I have strong opinions in those areas, but thought it best to
>>>>>> let experts make the points there.  I also made it clear to the PJCIS that
>>>>>> ITPA wishes to be invited to the public hearing, we'll see how that goes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 10:26, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Rob,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to say thanks to everyone who's made the effort for what's a
>>>>>>> pretty thankless and costly investment of time - trying to convey a message
>>>>>>> that Home Affairs appear intent to ignore. The Home Affairs consultation
>>>>>>> was a wash. Let's hope PJCIS actually engage with the process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However if you don't engage with the process, you can't complain
>>>>>>> about the results, so thanks again to those who've made submissions (Home
>>>>>>> Affairs and then again for PJCIS) to see that our industry's needs get
>>>>>>> represented and, if not acknowledged, are at least on the public record to
>>>>>>> hold Home Affairs to account for what's some pretty imperious unilateralism
>>>>>>> and shabby disregard for the industry's and the public's concerns and best
>>>>>>> interests.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have just sent through my submission on behalf of ITPA.  It's
>>>>>>>> also published here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.itpa.org.au/news/itpa-submission-pjcis-telecommunications-and-other-legislation-amendment-assistance-and-access-bill-/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ""
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 17:17, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My submission is now up on PJCIS . Worth a read for anyone
>>>>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Submissions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 15:05, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh ho!! Now the rush behind the bill all makes sense - so the AFP
>>>>>>>>>> can go after whoever leaked against Dutton and his au pairs!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/11/afp-search-raids-affairs-department-peter-dutton-au-pair-visa-leaks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glad we cleared that up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:33, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dep't Home Affairs submission to PJCIS has turned up.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8704d357-2f09-4173-871a-f073166d4e10&subId=660956
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:14, Christian Heinrich <
>>>>>>>>>>> christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good job peeps, 24 hours before submissions close with JCIS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 343 listed as of today (Thursday).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Heinrich
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://cmlh.id.au/contact
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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