[AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

Wed Oct 17 11:55:39 EST 2018

I'd also venture the roll call for Friday is in no small degree window
dressing for Saturday's Wentworth turnout. I did forward my letter to PJCIS
onto Kerryn Phelps.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:48, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Committee is currently accepting submissions to this review.
> Submissions should be provided no later than *12pm, Friday, 12 October
> 2018.* An initial Public Hearing is expected to be held on Friday, 19
> October 2018.  *Further Public Hearings will be scheduled for late
> October or early November 2018.*
>
>
> *https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018
> <https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018>*
>
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:44, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Optus (Singtel)'s submission was soft touch, saying they'll impose
>> whatever's required by government dictate. Pretty much to be expected given
>> their parent company is Singapore based. As Rob points out, most making
>> submissions won't be heard from. I'd go so far as to say this is by design.
>> Some very critical views are not to be heard from.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Paul Wilkins
>>
>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 21:13, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> The schedule for the first day of public hearings on the 19th of October
>>> (this Friday) has been released:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=false
>>>
>>> For those who don't wish to download the PDF document, the following
>>> parties are scheduled to speak on this day:
>>>
>>> * The Department of Home Affairs.
>>> * The Law Council of Australia.  This is an interesting one - it appears
>>> (unless my eyes are failing me) that they did not make a submission at all
>>> (or at least not one that the PJCIS has chosen to publish - their
>>> submission numbering goes to 66, yet their website counts only 64
>>> submissions - submissions 12 and 14 are missing).
>>> * Optus "and others TBC".
>>> * Ai Group "and others TBC" (interestingly, Ai Group is only one of the
>>> parties involved in the cited submission - so they can't even attribute the
>>> submissions to the correct/complete groups).
>>> * Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" (noting that the
>>> BSA submission is cited in the submissions pack for the day, but Amazon's
>>> isn't - and nor is it listed on the main list of submissions).
>>> * TBC.
>>>
>>> There's a pack of submissions (4 of them) relevant for the day - it's
>>> here if anyone's keen (particularly useful given some of the oddities I'll
>>> mention next):
>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=true
>>>
>>> Each is allocated a different time frame as well - DOHA have 60 minutes
>>> allocated, the Law Council of Australia get 45 minutes, Optus "and others
>>> TBC" get 45 minutes, Ai Group "and others TBC" receive 60 minutes, Amazon,
>>> BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" receive 75 minutes, and then
>>> the "TBC" section has a start time (3:15pm) but no finish time.
>>>
>>> It concerns me that as of nearly 9pm Sydney time on the 16th of October
>>> that "and others TBC" and "TBC" is still undefined for hearings starting on
>>> the 19th of October.  I expressed an interest in participating in the
>>> public hearings on behalf of ITPA very early on in the consultation period
>>> - yet IF we do get invited to attend the public hearing on the 19th,
>>> they're giving me very little time to get myself down there (and to be
>>> honest, I may not be able to attend at this late notice, given I would have
>>> to make arrangements both at home and at work for me to travel to Canberra
>>> on Friday).  I also can't start to plan for dates that aren't even
>>> published yet.
>>>
>>> Another concern is that with "around 65" submissions made, only a very
>>> small number of organisations have been invited to the public hearing - I
>>> believe there was talk of further public hearing days been added, but
>>> there's no indication of that on the PJCIS website at this stage - this is
>>> particularly concerning when you look at some of the parties NOT yet
>>> invited - organisations like Cisco, Telstra and Apple in particular given
>>> that Optus, Amazon and BSA are invited).
>>>
>>> It will be interesting to see how things continue to run from here.  At
>>> this stage, I am not seeing evidence that the appropriate level and breadth
>>> of consultation will take place to ensure an appropriate outcome for
>>> Australia.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 17:37, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Robert,
>>>> When in Canberra, don't look for any support from PJCIS Chairman Andrew
>>>> Hastie, who is a Dutton supporter, and one of the leading conspirators in
>>>> rolling Turnbull.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 12:45, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PJCIS is listing 37 submissions - way down on the 343 that were made
>>>>> to the Department of Home Affairs, but hopefully they'll actually get read
>>>>> and considered this time around.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to stick to ITPA's area of expertise (tehnology) in the hope
>>>>> that other parties more qualified than us have focused on areas outside of
>>>>> technology - I have strong opinions in those areas, but thought it best to
>>>>> let experts make the points there.  I also made it clear to the PJCIS that
>>>>> ITPA wishes to be invited to the public hearing, we'll see how that goes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 10:26, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Rob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to say thanks to everyone who's made the effort for what's a
>>>>>> pretty thankless and costly investment of time - trying to convey a message
>>>>>> that Home Affairs appear intent to ignore. The Home Affairs consultation
>>>>>> was a wash. Let's hope PJCIS actually engage with the process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However if you don't engage with the process, you can't complain
>>>>>> about the results, so thanks again to those who've made submissions (Home
>>>>>> Affairs and then again for PJCIS) to see that our industry's needs get
>>>>>> represented and, if not acknowledged, are at least on the public record to
>>>>>> hold Home Affairs to account for what's some pretty imperious unilateralism
>>>>>> and shabby disregard for the industry's and the public's concerns and best
>>>>>> interests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have just sent through my submission on behalf of ITPA.  It's also
>>>>>>> published here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.itpa.org.au/news/itpa-submission-pjcis-telecommunications-and-other-legislation-amendment-assistance-and-access-bill-/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ""
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 17:17, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My submission is now up on PJCIS . Worth a read for anyone
>>>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Submissions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 15:05, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh ho!! Now the rush behind the bill all makes sense - so the AFP
>>>>>>>>> can go after whoever leaked against Dutton and his au pairs!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/11/afp-search-raids-affairs-department-peter-dutton-au-pair-visa-leaks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Glad we cleared that up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:33, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dep't Home Affairs submission to PJCIS has turned up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8704d357-2f09-4173-871a-f073166d4e10&subId=660956
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:14, Christian Heinrich <
>>>>>>>>>> christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > Good job peeps, 24 hours before submissions close with JCIS.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are 343 listed as of today (Thursday).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Heinrich
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://cmlh.id.au/contact
>>>>>>>>>>>
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