[AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

Fri Oct 19 15:28:58 EST 2018

If you're concerned by the Bill's overreach, where it allows for arbitrary
and disproportionate interference in privacy, write the Parliamentary Joint
Committee on Human Rights: human.rights at aph.gov.au

Kind regards
Paul Wilkins

On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 11:31, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Appeared this morning. Runs to 60pp vs 20pp for the Home Affairs
> submission.
>
>
> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=859d9cda-0f99-4bef-994f-edc6006c87bf&subId=661321
>
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:55, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'd also venture the roll call for Friday is in no small degree window
>> dressing for Saturday's Wentworth turnout. I did forward my letter to PJCIS
>> onto Kerryn Phelps.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Paul Wilkins
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:48, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Committee is currently accepting submissions to this review.
>>> Submissions should be provided no later than *12pm, Friday, 12 October
>>> 2018.* An initial Public Hearing is expected to be held on Friday, 19
>>> October 2018.  *Further Public Hearings will be scheduled for late
>>> October or early November 2018.*
>>>
>>>
>>> *https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018
>>> <https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018>*
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:44, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Optus (Singtel)'s submission was soft touch, saying they'll impose
>>>> whatever's required by government dictate. Pretty much to be expected given
>>>> their parent company is Singapore based. As Rob points out, most making
>>>> submissions won't be heard from. I'd go so far as to say this is by design.
>>>> Some very critical views are not to be heard from.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 21:13, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> The schedule for the first day of public hearings on the 19th of
>>>>> October (this Friday) has been released:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=false
>>>>>
>>>>> For those who don't wish to download the PDF document, the following
>>>>> parties are scheduled to speak on this day:
>>>>>
>>>>> * The Department of Home Affairs.
>>>>> * The Law Council of Australia.  This is an interesting one - it
>>>>> appears (unless my eyes are failing me) that they did not make a submission
>>>>> at all (or at least not one that the PJCIS has chosen to publish - their
>>>>> submission numbering goes to 66, yet their website counts only 64
>>>>> submissions - submissions 12 and 14 are missing).
>>>>> * Optus "and others TBC".
>>>>> * Ai Group "and others TBC" (interestingly, Ai Group is only one of
>>>>> the parties involved in the cited submission - so they can't even attribute
>>>>> the submissions to the correct/complete groups).
>>>>> * Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" (noting that
>>>>> the BSA submission is cited in the submissions pack for the day, but
>>>>> Amazon's isn't - and nor is it listed on the main list of submissions).
>>>>> * TBC.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a pack of submissions (4 of them) relevant for the day - it's
>>>>> here if anyone's keen (particularly useful given some of the oddities I'll
>>>>> mention next):
>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=true
>>>>>
>>>>> Each is allocated a different time frame as well - DOHA have 60
>>>>> minutes allocated, the Law Council of Australia get 45 minutes, Optus "and
>>>>> others TBC" get 45 minutes, Ai Group "and others TBC" receive 60 minutes,
>>>>> Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" receive 75 minutes,
>>>>> and then the "TBC" section has a start time (3:15pm) but no finish time.
>>>>>
>>>>> It concerns me that as of nearly 9pm Sydney time on the 16th of
>>>>> October that "and others TBC" and "TBC" is still undefined for hearings
>>>>> starting on the 19th of October.  I expressed an interest in participating
>>>>> in the public hearings on behalf of ITPA very early on in the consultation
>>>>> period - yet IF we do get invited to attend the public hearing on the 19th,
>>>>> they're giving me very little time to get myself down there (and to be
>>>>> honest, I may not be able to attend at this late notice, given I would have
>>>>> to make arrangements both at home and at work for me to travel to Canberra
>>>>> on Friday).  I also can't start to plan for dates that aren't even
>>>>> published yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another concern is that with "around 65" submissions made, only a very
>>>>> small number of organisations have been invited to the public hearing - I
>>>>> believe there was talk of further public hearing days been added, but
>>>>> there's no indication of that on the PJCIS website at this stage - this is
>>>>> particularly concerning when you look at some of the parties NOT yet
>>>>> invited - organisations like Cisco, Telstra and Apple in particular given
>>>>> that Optus, Amazon and BSA are invited).
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be interesting to see how things continue to run from here.
>>>>> At this stage, I am not seeing evidence that the appropriate level and
>>>>> breadth of consultation will take place to ensure an appropriate outcome
>>>>> for Australia.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 17:37, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>> When in Canberra, don't look for any support from PJCIS Chairman
>>>>>> Andrew Hastie, who is a Dutton supporter, and one of the leading
>>>>>> conspirators in rolling Turnbull.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 12:45, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PJCIS is listing 37 submissions - way down on the 343 that were made
>>>>>>> to the Department of Home Affairs, but hopefully they'll actually get read
>>>>>>> and considered this time around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried to stick to ITPA's area of expertise (tehnology) in the hope
>>>>>>> that other parties more qualified than us have focused on areas outside of
>>>>>>> technology - I have strong opinions in those areas, but thought it best to
>>>>>>> let experts make the points there.  I also made it clear to the PJCIS that
>>>>>>> ITPA wishes to be invited to the public hearing, we'll see how that goes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 10:26, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Rob,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to say thanks to everyone who's made the effort for what's a
>>>>>>>> pretty thankless and costly investment of time - trying to convey a message
>>>>>>>> that Home Affairs appear intent to ignore. The Home Affairs consultation
>>>>>>>> was a wash. Let's hope PJCIS actually engage with the process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However if you don't engage with the process, you can't complain
>>>>>>>> about the results, so thanks again to those who've made submissions (Home
>>>>>>>> Affairs and then again for PJCIS) to see that our industry's needs get
>>>>>>>> represented and, if not acknowledged, are at least on the public record to
>>>>>>>> hold Home Affairs to account for what's some pretty imperious unilateralism
>>>>>>>> and shabby disregard for the industry's and the public's concerns and best
>>>>>>>> interests.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have just sent through my submission on behalf of ITPA.  It's
>>>>>>>>> also published here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.itpa.org.au/news/itpa-submission-pjcis-telecommunications-and-other-legislation-amendment-assistance-and-access-bill-/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ""
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 17:17, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My submission is now up on PJCIS . Worth a read for anyone
>>>>>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Submissions
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 15:05, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh ho!! Now the rush behind the bill all makes sense - so the
>>>>>>>>>>> AFP can go after whoever leaked against Dutton and his au pairs!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/11/afp-search-raids-affairs-department-peter-dutton-au-pair-visa-leaks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Glad we cleared that up.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:33, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dep't Home Affairs submission to PJCIS has turned up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8704d357-2f09-4173-871a-f073166d4e10&subId=660956
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:14, Christian Heinrich <
>>>>>>>>>>>> christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good job peeps, 24 hours before submissions close with JCIS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 343 listed as of today (Thursday).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Heinrich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://cmlh.id.au/contact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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