[AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

Wed Oct 17 11:48:09 EST 2018

The Committee is currently accepting submissions to this review.
Submissions should be provided no later than *12pm, Friday, 12 October
2018.* An initial Public Hearing is expected to be held on Friday, 19
October 2018.  *Further Public Hearings will be scheduled for late
October or early November 2018.*

*https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018
<https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018>*

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:44, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Optus (Singtel)'s submission was soft touch, saying they'll impose
> whatever's required by government dictate. Pretty much to be expected given
> their parent company is Singapore based. As Rob points out, most making
> submissions won't be heard from. I'd go so far as to say this is by design.
> Some very critical views are not to be heard from.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 21:13, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The schedule for the first day of public hearings on the 19th of October
>> (this Friday) has been released:
>>
>>
>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=false
>>
>> For those who don't wish to download the PDF document, the following
>> parties are scheduled to speak on this day:
>>
>> * The Department of Home Affairs.
>> * The Law Council of Australia.  This is an interesting one - it appears
>> (unless my eyes are failing me) that they did not make a submission at all
>> (or at least not one that the PJCIS has chosen to publish - their
>> submission numbering goes to 66, yet their website counts only 64
>> submissions - submissions 12 and 14 are missing).
>> * Optus "and others TBC".
>> * Ai Group "and others TBC" (interestingly, Ai Group is only one of the
>> parties involved in the cited submission - so they can't even attribute the
>> submissions to the correct/complete groups).
>> * Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" (noting that the
>> BSA submission is cited in the submissions pack for the day, but Amazon's
>> isn't - and nor is it listed on the main list of submissions).
>> * TBC.
>>
>> There's a pack of submissions (4 of them) relevant for the day - it's
>> here if anyone's keen (particularly useful given some of the oddities I'll
>> mention next):
>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=true
>>
>> Each is allocated a different time frame as well - DOHA have 60 minutes
>> allocated, the Law Council of Australia get 45 minutes, Optus "and others
>> TBC" get 45 minutes, Ai Group "and others TBC" receive 60 minutes, Amazon,
>> BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" receive 75 minutes, and then
>> the "TBC" section has a start time (3:15pm) but no finish time.
>>
>> It concerns me that as of nearly 9pm Sydney time on the 16th of October
>> that "and others TBC" and "TBC" is still undefined for hearings starting on
>> the 19th of October.  I expressed an interest in participating in the
>> public hearings on behalf of ITPA very early on in the consultation period
>> - yet IF we do get invited to attend the public hearing on the 19th,
>> they're giving me very little time to get myself down there (and to be
>> honest, I may not be able to attend at this late notice, given I would have
>> to make arrangements both at home and at work for me to travel to Canberra
>> on Friday).  I also can't start to plan for dates that aren't even
>> published yet.
>>
>> Another concern is that with "around 65" submissions made, only a very
>> small number of organisations have been invited to the public hearing - I
>> believe there was talk of further public hearing days been added, but
>> there's no indication of that on the PJCIS website at this stage - this is
>> particularly concerning when you look at some of the parties NOT yet
>> invited - organisations like Cisco, Telstra and Apple in particular given
>> that Optus, Amazon and BSA are invited).
>>
>> It will be interesting to see how things continue to run from here.  At
>> this stage, I am not seeing evidence that the appropriate level and breadth
>> of consultation will take place to ensure an appropriate outcome for
>> Australia.
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 17:37, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Robert,
>>> When in Canberra, don't look for any support from PJCIS Chairman Andrew
>>> Hastie, who is a Dutton supporter, and one of the leading conspirators in
>>> rolling Turnbull.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 12:45, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> PJCIS is listing 37 submissions - way down on the 343 that were made to
>>>> the Department of Home Affairs, but hopefully they'll actually get read and
>>>> considered this time around.
>>>>
>>>> I tried to stick to ITPA's area of expertise (tehnology) in the hope
>>>> that other parties more qualified than us have focused on areas outside of
>>>> technology - I have strong opinions in those areas, but thought it best to
>>>> let experts make the points there.  I also made it clear to the PJCIS that
>>>> ITPA wishes to be invited to the public hearing, we'll see how that goes.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 10:26, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Rob,
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to say thanks to everyone who's made the effort for what's a
>>>>> pretty thankless and costly investment of time - trying to convey a message
>>>>> that Home Affairs appear intent to ignore. The Home Affairs consultation
>>>>> was a wash. Let's hope PJCIS actually engage with the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> However if you don't engage with the process, you can't complain about
>>>>> the results, so thanks again to those who've made submissions (Home Affairs
>>>>> and then again for PJCIS) to see that our industry's needs get represented
>>>>> and, if not acknowledged, are at least on the public record to hold Home
>>>>> Affairs to account for what's some pretty imperious unilateralism and
>>>>> shabby disregard for the industry's and the public's concerns and best
>>>>> interests.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have just sent through my submission on behalf of ITPA.  It's also
>>>>>> published here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.itpa.org.au/news/itpa-submission-pjcis-telecommunications-and-other-legislation-amendment-assistance-and-access-bill-/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ""
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 17:17, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My submission is now up on PJCIS . Worth a read for anyone
>>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Submissions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 15:05, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh ho!! Now the rush behind the bill all makes sense - so the AFP
>>>>>>>> can go after whoever leaked against Dutton and his au pairs!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/11/afp-search-raids-affairs-department-peter-dutton-au-pair-visa-leaks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glad we cleared that up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:33, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dep't Home Affairs submission to PJCIS has turned up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8704d357-2f09-4173-871a-f073166d4e10&subId=660956
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:14, Christian Heinrich <
>>>>>>>>> christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > Good job peeps, 24 hours before submissions close with JCIS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are 343 listed as of today (Thursday).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Christian Heinrich
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://cmlh.id.au/contact
>>>>>>>>>>
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