[AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

[Paul Wilkins]

No. The subject of authority versus freedom requires greater coverage than
I currently can spare time for, and mostly it's all been said before, by
Bertrand Russell and others. That the technology is new doesn't change the
fundamentals of liberty vs state authority.

With what particularly do you take exception?

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On 13 June 2017 at 20:02, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are you trolling?
>
> On 13 June 2017 at 19:53, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > When we talk of Privacy as a fundamental principle of democracy since the
> > days of Magna Carta, we need to put that in context.
> >
> > Firstly, we need to recognise the authority of the State is necessary for
> > security and freedom.
> >
> > Secondly, to a large but not (Josef Fritzl) extent, what you do in your
> > basement is no one else's business. But internet traffic crosses property
> > boundaries, into the public space, and the carriage of that traffic in
> the
> > public space is through licensed carriers.
> >
> > Thirdly, it would be negligent of governments to simply cede the cyber
> > domain to the crooks, crazies, and creeps. The internet is going to be
> > regulated, and its necessary for good government and public order that
> that
> > be the case.
> >
> > Sooner or later, crypto is going to be regulated and you'll need to
> license
> > private keys in escrow. That this isn't already the case is simply the
> fault
> > of legislation failing to keep pace with technology.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Paul Wilkins
> >
> > On 13 June 2017 at 19:11, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It is expensive in many ways - to achieve near-real time interception
> and
> >> decryption (in-flight or at-rest) basically requires the keys. Elsewise
> it
> >> can't be achieved in a suitably short time.
> >>
> >> On 13 Jun. 2017 5:34 pm, "Phillip Grasso" <phillip.grasso at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "The privacy of a terrorist can never be more important than public
> >>> safety. Never."
> >>>
> >>> Is it a question of privacy or cost? The means exist to decrypt, its
> just
> >>> more expensive.
> >>>
> >>> On 13 June 2017 at 00:16, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Brandis: "Trust me, we only want the envelope, not the content."
> >>>>
> >>>> <David Speers interviews him to see what that actually means,
> everybody
> >>>> laughs>
> >>>>
> >>>> Brandis: "Actually, we want the content too."
> >>>>
> >>>> <silence>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   - mark
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 06/13/2017 04:16 PM, James Andrewartha wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.pm.gov.au/media/2017-06-13/national-security-statement
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also includes the usual BS about breaking encryption in the name of
> >>>>> national security, aka the war on maths.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "However encrypted messaging applications are also used by criminals
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> terrorists - at the moment much of this traffic is difficult for our
> >>>>> security agencies to decrypt, and indeed for our Five Eyes partners
> as
> >>>>> well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Most of the major platforms of this kind are based in the United
> States
> >>>>> where a strong libertarian tradition resists Government access to
> >>>>> private
> >>>>> communications as the FBI found when Apple would not help unlock the
> >>>>> iPhone of the dead San Bernardino terrorist.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The privacy of a terrorist can never be more important than public
> >>>>> safety.
> >>>>> Never."
> >>>>>
> >>>>
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