[AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

[Mark Smith]

Are you trolling?

On 13 June 2017 at 19:53, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
> When we talk of Privacy as a fundamental principle of democracy since the
> days of Magna Carta, we need to put that in context.
>
> Firstly, we need to recognise the authority of the State is necessary for
> security and freedom.
>
> Secondly, to a large but not (Josef Fritzl) extent, what you do in your
> basement is no one else's business. But internet traffic crosses property
> boundaries, into the public space, and the carriage of that traffic in the
> public space is through licensed carriers.
>
> Thirdly, it would be negligent of governments to simply cede the cyber
> domain to the crooks, crazies, and creeps. The internet is going to be
> regulated, and its necessary for good government and public order that that
> be the case.
>
> Sooner or later, crypto is going to be regulated and you'll need to license
> private keys in escrow. That this isn't already the case is simply the fault
> of legislation failing to keep pace with technology.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On 13 June 2017 at 19:11, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It is expensive in many ways - to achieve near-real time interception and
>> decryption (in-flight or at-rest) basically requires the keys. Elsewise it
>> can't be achieved in a suitably short time.
>>
>> On 13 Jun. 2017 5:34 pm, "Phillip Grasso" <phillip.grasso at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "The privacy of a terrorist can never be more important than public
>>> safety. Never."
>>>
>>> Is it a question of privacy or cost? The means exist to decrypt, its just
>>> more expensive.
>>>
>>> On 13 June 2017 at 00:16, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Brandis: "Trust me, we only want the envelope, not the content."
>>>>
>>>> <David Speers interviews him to see what that actually means, everybody
>>>> laughs>
>>>>
>>>> Brandis: "Actually, we want the content too."
>>>>
>>>> <silence>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   - mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 06/13/2017 04:16 PM, James Andrewartha wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.pm.gov.au/media/2017-06-13/national-security-statement
>>>>>
>>>>> Also includes the usual BS about breaking encryption in the name of
>>>>> national security, aka the war on maths.
>>>>>
>>>>> "However encrypted messaging applications are also used by criminals
>>>>> and
>>>>> terrorists - at the moment much of this traffic is difficult for our
>>>>> security agencies to decrypt, and indeed for our Five Eyes partners as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of the major platforms of this kind are based in the United States
>>>>> where a strong libertarian tradition resists Government access to
>>>>> private
>>>>> communications as the FBI found when Apple would not help unlock the
>>>>> iPhone of the dead San Bernardino terrorist.
>>>>>
>>>>> The privacy of a terrorist can never be more important than public
>>>>> safety.
>>>>> Never."
>>>>>
>>>>
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