[AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

[Mal]

Surely its game over for the decrypted message content, once you associate an Apple ID or Google account to your device anyhow..  You have no control over those hooks / you've got no idea what's been sent back to base regardless.

Mal


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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

You’re talking about a government that plans to remove the UK from the EU with a sledgehammer.

They effectively lost an unlosable election.

Now it’s Corey Bernadi style conservative politics until the next early election.

Cheers,

jsl

John Lindsay
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On 13 Jun 2017, at 5:42 pm, Martin Hepworth <maxsec at gmail.com<mailto:maxsec at gmail.com>> wrote:

We'll see how it does once they get to use WhatsApp like the UK Conservative Party and realise the political fallout if the newpapers are able to break this along with the voicemail!

--
Martin Hepworth, CISSP
Oxford, UK

On 13 June 2017 at 08:57, Nathanael Bettridge <nathanael at prodigy.com.au<mailto:nathanael at prodigy.com.au>> wrote:
That’s the most terrifying line in his speech tbh. The privacy of someone who has not been found guilty of a crime should only be overridden by a judge, considering all the factors.
Also, https://xkcd.com/538/ comes to mind ☺

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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

"The privacy of a terrorist can never be more important than public safety. Never."

Is it a question of privacy or cost? The means exist to decrypt, its just more expensive.

On 13 June 2017 at 00:16, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org<mailto:newton at atdot.dotat.org>> wrote:
Brandis: "Trust me, we only want the envelope, not the content."

<David Speers interviews him to see what that actually means, everybody laughs>

Brandis: "Actually, we want the content too."

<silence>


  - mark


On 06/13/2017 04:16 PM, James Andrewartha wrote:
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/2017-06-13/national-security-statement

Also includes the usual BS about breaking encryption in the name of
national security, aka the war on maths.

"However encrypted messaging applications are also used by criminals and
terrorists - at the moment much of this traffic is difficult for our
security agencies to decrypt, and indeed for our Five Eyes partners as
well.

Most of the major platforms of this kind are based in the United States
where a strong libertarian tradition resists Government access to private
communications as the FBI found when Apple would not help unlock the
iPhone of the dead San Bernardino terrorist.

The privacy of a terrorist can never be more important than public safety.
Never."

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