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have no control over those hooks / you've got no idea what's been sent back to base regardless.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Lindsay<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 13 June 2017 5:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Hepworth <maxsec@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net; Nathanael Bettridge <nathanael@prodigy.com.au><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You’re talking about a government that plans to remove the UK from the EU with a sledgehammer. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">They effectively lost an unlosable election.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now it’s Corey Bernadi style conservative politics until the next early election.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Lindsay<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 13 Jun 2017, at 5:42 pm, Martin Hepworth <<a href="mailto:maxsec@gmail.com">maxsec@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We'll see how it does once they get to use WhatsApp like the UK Conservative Party and realise the political fallout if the newpapers are able to break this along with the voicemail!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 13 June 2017 at 08:57, Nathanael Bettridge <<a href="mailto:nathanael@prodigy.com.au" target="_blank">nathanael@prodigy.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">That’s the most terrifying line in his speech tbh. The privacy of someone who has not been found guilty
of a crime should only be overridden by a judge, considering all the factors.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Also,
<a href="https://xkcd.com/538/" target="_blank">https://xkcd.com/538/</a> comes to mind
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phillip Grasso<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 13 June 2017 5:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" target="_blank">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">"<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">The privacy of a terrorist can never be more important than public safety. Never."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Is it a question of privacy or cost? The means exist to decrypt, its just more expensive. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<David Speers interviews him to see what that actually means, everybody laughs><br>
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Also includes the usual BS about breaking encryption in the name of<br>
national security, aka the war on maths.<br>
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"However encrypted messaging applications are also used by criminals and<br>
terrorists - at the moment much of this traffic is difficult for our<br>
security agencies to decrypt, and indeed for our Five Eyes partners as<br>
well.<br>
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Most of the major platforms of this kind are based in the United States<br>
where a strong libertarian tradition resists Government access to private<br>
communications as the FBI found when Apple would not help unlock the<br>
iPhone of the dead San Bernardino terrorist.<br>
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The privacy of a terrorist can never be more important than public safety.<br>
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