[AusNOG] NextDC Melbourne - Scheduled Power Maintenance -, 15th August

[Sam Silvester]

Hey Chad,

That's a pretty general site you're pointing to.

Could you possibly be a bit more specific? Clicked through a couple of
links on it but everything was very high level.

As I noted elsewhere I am in SA but my employer is national so keeping
across all this is never a bad thing.

Cheers,

Sam

On Friday, 11 August 2017, Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au> wrote:

> It comes under the Victorian Occupational Health and safety Act 2004 from
> the bit of reading I did yesterday.
>
> https://www.worksafe.vic.gov.au/laws/ohs
>
> On 8/11/2017 10:17 AM, Jared Hirst wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Totally agree. I would just like to know what law Simon was referring too?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jared Hirst
> Servers Australia Pty Ltd
> Phone: +61 2 8115 8801
> Email: jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au');>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net');> on
> behalf of Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','newton at atdot.dotat.org');>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 4:54:10 AM
> *To:* Nathan Brookfield
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog at lists.ausnog.net');>;
> ausnog-request at lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-request at lists.ausnog.net');>; Chad
> Kelly
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] NextDC Melbourne - Scheduled Power Maintenance -,
> 15th August
>
> As someone who has run colo facilities before:
>
> It should be made completely clear during customer onboarding that the
> facility operator can temporarily shut down a power feed at any time.
> Advance warning should be desirable but optional.
>
> If there is risk involved in doing that, it’s your job to mitigate it. The
> facility operator doesn’t know which bits of equipment in your tenancy are
> critical, and they’ve already told you to dual-feed where possible and use
> a rack-mount ATS for single-corded equipment.
>
> Power work should be done during business hours, because it’s almost
> impossible to get emergency support or source replacement equipment out of
> hours.
>
> If it isn’t safe to take a power feed offline during business hours, then
> you (the customer) have a design problem to solve.
>
>   - mark
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:56 AM, Nathan Brookfield
> <Nathan.Brookfield at simtronic.com.au>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Nathan.Brookfield at simtronic.com.au');>
> wrote:
> >
> > Chad,
> >
> > That's all well and good but when you're paying a premium price for
> services of this fashion you expect a certain level of service.  There is a
> risk no matter what when switching from power supplies taking extra load
> they would not usually take as well as swing load issues with PDU's.
> >
> > I completely agree with your sentiment but the risk is not to be ignored
> especially during those times.
> >
> > Kindest Regards,
> > Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net');>] On
> Behalf Of Chad Kelly
> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:54 PM
> > To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog at lists.ausnog.net');>;
> ausnog-request at lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-request at lists.ausnog.net');>
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NextDC Melbourne - Scheduled Power Maintenance -,
> 15th August
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/10/2017 10:13 AM, ausnog-request at lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-request at lists.ausnog.net');> wrote:
> >> From the latest update today, It appears that most of the works are
> >> being postponed for the time being
> >>
> >> Not all devices within racks support 2 feeds and planning is involved
> >> with these devices, which is why it is crucial to receive accurate
> information about any pending outages or upgrades to the NextDC DataCentres
> which affect services.
> > If these services are mission critical then you really should have duel
> PSU units, so that when one feed gets taken offline the equipment
> automatically switches to the other feed. They won't just disconnect both
> feeds at once because that would be stupid and if the entire DC was offline
> for too much time then that would put the owners in a rather awkward
> situation legally, as after say 8 or 10 hours of downtime it wouldn't be
> good for the owners lets put it that way.
> > If the single PSU units are a part of a customers co-located equipment
> then really your terms of service agreement should exclude liability under
> your maintenance clauses.
> > I don't understand why anyone would be using single PSU equipment in a
> DC environment now a days when you can buy refurbished servers that come
> with two PSU as standard even when you buy them without raid.
> > Also for anything that is really really mission critical you should have
> it hosted in multiple datacentres anyway so if something stupid does happen
> that you can't control you at least still have services online as the load
> balanced services would just switch.
> > Regards Chad.
> >
> > --
> > Chad Kelly
> > Manager
> > CPK Web Services
> > Phone 03 5273 0246
> > Web www.cpkws.com.au
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusNOG mailing list
> > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net');>
> > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusNOG mailing list
> > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net');>
> > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net');>
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
>
> --
> Chad Kelly
> Manager
> CPK Web Services
> Phone 03 5273 0246
> Web www.cpkws.com.au
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20170811/a687422e/attachment.html>