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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#2F6EB5">If the packages come with an unsuscribe button, take my money.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#2F6EB5">--JC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Wilkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 28 September 2016 3:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] RISK - IT Industry - Concern Over Equipment Being, Installed in Data Centre Facilities - Further Replies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Time was you might have asked for and got your 5 minute argument and left a satisfied customer. That was a generation ago and it dates Python. These days, the Marketing team's letting the side down if you haven't
been offered your complimentary definitional wrangle, upsold to a value added tirade with the bundled ad hominem, which then seamlessly segues into a Power Point slide deck of our exciting line of packages - the feud, dispute, or jeremiad.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul Wilkins<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 28 September 2016 at 12:51, Jim Woodward <<a href="mailto:jim@alwaysnever.net" target="_blank">jim@alwaysnever.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">+1 with everyone else that would like a stop thread on this, it's starting to overlap the same subject matter and really needs it's own mailing list or forum as I only have paid for the five minute argument and I think we've got our full
five minutes worth :) </montypython><span style="color:#888888"><br>
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<span class="hoenzb">Jim.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On 28/09/2016 10:43 AM, Nathanael Bettridge wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Skeeve,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
Skeeve Stevens<br>
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A lot of people have this idea that everything should be openly discussed<br>
because doing it helps us all understand the situation and we can all<br>
contribute and solve the problem. This is a stupid idea mostly perpetrated by<br>
people who is not the person actually at most risk or the most to lose.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">As others have mentioned, the obscurity vs public discussion matter is at the very least debatable if not entirely debunked. It's still a natural tendency though for people to want to conceal "dangerous" information.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Should we openly discuss, on an archived list, with press watching. how we<br>
could use household goods to make explosives?<br>
Or talk about how easy it is to make certain bioweapons and the different<br>
ways we could deploy them?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">No, because they would be off-topic :)<br>
It's also possibly illegal to give too much detail on that in Australia, though it probably shouldn't be if it is.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Or should we perhaps talk about how easy it is to commit fraud?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It's come up in other lists and here from memory a few times.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes... lets give blueprints to people who are motived by malice so that they<br>
can go off and do what we're suggesting puts us at risk.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">If people want to do bad things they'll do it regardless. It's not hard to figure out. At least we can be aware of the possibilities for defensive planning.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Suitable forums are private industry ones with a membership criteria which is<br>
often gated to certain professions, peer recommendations, and so on.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You are welcome to restrict your own participation in these kinds of discussions to those forums of course.<br>
Others can make their own decisions on that.<br>
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-Nathanael Bettridge<br>
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