[AusNOG] 10GbE Switching Options

Fri Jul 1 15:27:30 EST 2016

Clearly important and big enough to create a stir.
I encourage you to look beyond the FUD and into the actual merits of the
solutions and decide for yourself why Arista is a threat to the
establishment.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:

> Look backwards... they've been saying things for how long now?
>
> They can say all they like, but in the end, there is a risk - maybe not a
> big one, because equipment will happily work as it does now.
>
> But that doesn't mean future releases of EOS might lose some features.  If
> they have infringed (and I could care less if they have), then they won't
> be able to just do the same thing in another way... that what IP protects.
> So likely it will be a different feature people will have to move to -
> which will mean changes.
>
> Personally I think in the end Arista will disappear, be bought by someone
> - maybe Cisco, gutted, etc... that is the best play for them.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Alex Samad <alex at samad.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't she say they have mitigated the issues, so that they are no
>> longer infringing ?
>>
>> I'm not a lawyer ..
>>
>> A
>>
>> On 1 July 2016 at 12:03, Skeeve Stevens
>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>> > I would be nervous about anything Arista at the moment as Cisco bitch
>> slaps
>> > them in court and wins.
>> >
>> > This is only a few hours ago:
>> >
>> http://www.eweek.com/networking/arista-ceo-pens-letter-to-customers-in-wake-of-cisco-patent-decision.html
>> >
>> > I wonder what tech they will take out of EOS to make them happy.
>> >
>> > NEXTDC's AXONVX was fully built on Arista - which I would be nervous
>> about
>> > from a strategic vendor relationship perspective and I would be
>> diversifying
>> > my vendor options as fast as I could, but I designed it that way, so it
>> > shouldn't have an issue, especially since Cumulus has stepped up
>> recently.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ...Skeeve
>> >
>> > Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>> > Email: skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Claudiu Claudiu <auclaudiu at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Can't comment on price if that was the question,
>> >> But Arista is quite popular in the DC space. Unmodified linux
>> /extensible
>> >> via RPMs, CLI.
>> >> Programmable (Puppet, Ansible /  Python, Go natively supported), HW
>> VXLAN,
>> >> mature L2/L3/Multicast stack, integration to VMware, Openstack etc.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Alex Samad <alex at samad.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi
>> >>>
>> >>> How do arista rate v's the mellanox ?
>> >>>
>> >>> A
>> >>>
>> >>> On 1 July 2016 at 10:53, Claudiu Claudiu <auclaudiu at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > Hi,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > What about Arista?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Arista 7050SX-64
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> https://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Datasheets/7050SX-128_64_Datasheet.pdf
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Or Arista 7280R - deep buffer platforms 10/25/40/50/100G (allow
>> entire
>> >>> > internet routing table in FIB, 1RU/2RU form factor):
>> >>> >
>> https://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Datasheets/7280R-DataSheet.pdf
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Alex Huntington
>> >>> > <Alex.Huntington at iriworldwide.com.au> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Hi Guys!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Thought I’d throw out a few questions and a request for some
>> feedback
>> >>> >> around some datacenter switching we are looking at. Currently each
>> >>> >> server
>> >>> >> has 6 10GbE NICs of which two are dedicated iSCSI that will run
>> >>> >> through this
>> >>> >> fabric.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The current requirement is to replace our 1000BaseT switching with
>> >>> >> 10GbE
>> >>> >> but the cost of SFP+ modules is an issue and currently twinax has
>> been
>> >>> >> rules
>> >>> >> out due do cable management issues (don’t ask :/).
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> It would be nice to also standardise for our core also so routing
>> is a
>> >>> >> “nice to have” but not a requirement.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> If we could get some decent or support 3rd party SFP+ modules for a
>> >>> >> good
>> >>> >> price it would make the Cisco/Brocade options much more attractive
>> but
>> >>> >> never
>> >>> >> used the Startech or Netgear SFPs before & I’d like to avoid the
>> >>> >> vendor
>> >>> >> finger pointing games.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> We are looking at the following
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Dell S4048-ON
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Pros:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          Cheap $60 SFP+
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          Cheapest switch cost by 20-30%
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          All in one (no port or IP/routing licences required)
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Cons:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          Different CLI in FTOS, another thing to learn/manage
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Brocade VDX 6490
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Pros:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          ISCLI
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          Vendor reputation
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Cons
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          SFP+ price $300+
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          Cost of additional port licences  e.g. 24-48 port on
>> demand
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Cisco Nexus 3000/9000
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Pros:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          Community support & KB/documentation
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          Vendor reputation
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          Standardise vendor with all other network gear
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Cons:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          SFP+ $1500+
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -          IP Lite licence costs
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I’d love to hear your thoughts or experience, as I’m sure I’ve
>> missed
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >> few things!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Cheeeeeers,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Alex
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
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