[AusNOG] 10GbE Switching Options

[Skeeve Stevens]

Look backwards... they've been saying things for how long now?

They can say all they like, but in the end, there is a risk - maybe not a
big one, because equipment will happily work as it does now.

But that doesn't mean future releases of EOS might lose some features.  If
they have infringed (and I could care less if they have), then they won't
be able to just do the same thing in another way... that what IP protects.
So likely it will be a different feature people will have to move to -
which will mean changes.

Personally I think in the end Arista will disappear, be bought by someone -
maybe Cisco, gutted, etc... that is the best play for them.


...Skeeve

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On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Alex Samad <alex at samad.com.au> wrote:

> Doesn't she say they have mitigated the issues, so that they are no
> longer infringing ?
>
> I'm not a lawyer ..
>
> A
>
> On 1 July 2016 at 12:03, Skeeve Stevens
> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
> > I would be nervous about anything Arista at the moment as Cisco bitch
> slaps
> > them in court and wins.
> >
> > This is only a few hours ago:
> >
> http://www.eweek.com/networking/arista-ceo-pens-letter-to-customers-in-wake-of-cisco-patent-decision.html
> >
> > I wonder what tech they will take out of EOS to make them happy.
> >
> > NEXTDC's AXONVX was fully built on Arista - which I would be nervous
> about
> > from a strategic vendor relationship perspective and I would be
> diversifying
> > my vendor options as fast as I could, but I designed it that way, so it
> > shouldn't have an issue, especially since Cumulus has stepped up
> recently.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ...Skeeve
> >
> > Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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> >
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> >
> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Claudiu Claudiu <auclaudiu at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Can't comment on price if that was the question,
> >> But Arista is quite popular in the DC space. Unmodified linux
> /extensible
> >> via RPMs, CLI.
> >> Programmable (Puppet, Ansible /  Python, Go natively supported), HW
> VXLAN,
> >> mature L2/L3/Multicast stack, integration to VMware, Openstack etc.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Alex Samad <alex at samad.com.au> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> How do arista rate v's the mellanox ?
> >>>
> >>> A
> >>>
> >>> On 1 July 2016 at 10:53, Claudiu Claudiu <auclaudiu at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Hi,
> >>> >
> >>> > What about Arista?
> >>> >
> >>> > Arista 7050SX-64
> >>> >
> >>> >
> https://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Datasheets/7050SX-128_64_Datasheet.pdf
> >>> >
> >>> > Or Arista 7280R - deep buffer platforms 10/25/40/50/100G (allow
> entire
> >>> > internet routing table in FIB, 1RU/2RU form factor):
> >>> >
> https://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Datasheets/7280R-DataSheet.pdf
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Alex Huntington
> >>> > <Alex.Huntington at iriworldwide.com.au> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi Guys!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thought I’d throw out a few questions and a request for some
> feedback
> >>> >> around some datacenter switching we are looking at. Currently each
> >>> >> server
> >>> >> has 6 10GbE NICs of which two are dedicated iSCSI that will run
> >>> >> through this
> >>> >> fabric.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The current requirement is to replace our 1000BaseT switching with
> >>> >> 10GbE
> >>> >> but the cost of SFP+ modules is an issue and currently twinax has
> been
> >>> >> rules
> >>> >> out due do cable management issues (don’t ask :/).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It would be nice to also standardise for our core also so routing
> is a
> >>> >> “nice to have” but not a requirement.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> If we could get some decent or support 3rd party SFP+ modules for a
> >>> >> good
> >>> >> price it would make the Cisco/Brocade options much more attractive
> but
> >>> >> never
> >>> >> used the Startech or Netgear SFPs before & I’d like to avoid the
> >>> >> vendor
> >>> >> finger pointing games.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> We are looking at the following
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Dell S4048-ON
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Pros:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          Cheap $60 SFP+
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          Cheapest switch cost by 20-30%
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          All in one (no port or IP/routing licences required)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cons:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          Different CLI in FTOS, another thing to learn/manage
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Brocade VDX 6490
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Pros:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          ISCLI
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          Vendor reputation
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cons
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          SFP+ price $300+
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          Cost of additional port licences  e.g. 24-48 port on
> demand
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cisco Nexus 3000/9000
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Pros:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          Community support & KB/documentation
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          Vendor reputation
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          Standardise vendor with all other network gear
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cons:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          SFP+ $1500+
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -          IP Lite licence costs
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I’d love to hear your thoughts or experience, as I’m sure I’ve
> missed
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> few things!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cheeeeeers,
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Alex
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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