[AusNOG] Fwd: [Internet Australia - members] Net neutrality

[James Hodgkinson]

So the service getting the "advantage" designing their solution to
include local caching nodes should be ignored? 

It's not like they got this advantage for free - there's a risk/cost to
them involved in deploying it - but only by their own choice, not by the
ISPs actions.

James

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, at 00:53, Mark Andrews wrote:
> 
> In message
> <1448376141.546129.448792793.355D0567 at webmail.messagingengine.com>, 
> James Hodgkinson writes:
> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2015, at 22:15, ausftth at mail.com wrote:
> > > > [Internode zero rating Netflix] And they're doing something wrong? 
> > >    Yes. Playing favorites and steering customers towards Netflix, to the de
> > triment of Stan and others.
> > 
> > But *why* is it wrong? Do we know if Stan has offered content nodes and
> > been knocked back, or asked for money after having their traffic QoS'd?
> > It's not like they're marking people's quota double for the other
> > company's services.
> > 
> > Because Stan are a relatively new player in the marketplace, should that
> > mean Netflix can't leverage their capital to buy hardware and spread
> > their product? Another example: A few of the providers have been
> > providing free IPTV services for years, directly competing with cable TV
> > - no complaints there?
> > 
> > Why is this new situation, where they are not *negatively* impacting
> > other services (by QoS or other traffic handling methods) part of the
> > net neutrality debate? It's muddying the water from the *real* issues
> > that are being discussed.
> 
> If you are not zero rated then you are negatively impacted when
> others are.  You have to design your product to fit the cap whereas
> the other player doesn't.
> 
> If your customer has used up their allocation for the month then
> you can't sell them anything while your competition that is zero
> rated can.
> 
> So, yes, this is a net neutrality issue, just not a quite so obvious
> one.
> 
> > James
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