[AusNOG] Fwd: [Internet Australia - members] Net neutrality

[Mark Andrews]

In message <1448399048.635948.449152465.3E549172 at webmail.messagingengine.com>, 
James Hodgkinson writes:
> So the service getting the "advantage" designing their solution to
> include local caching nodes should be ignored? 

Local caching != zero rating.  Stop conflating the two things.

Local caching produces a better service as the traffic does not
need to contend with other traffic to reach the ISP.  This is
equivalent to peering with a big fat pipe.  It's basically make a
choice about what hardware to peer with and the relative cost of
different technological solutions.  Yes, caching is peering with
very large pipes.

"zero rating" is about not getting cut off from the customer because
they did too much else in the month.  If you are not zero rated you
will be cut off/rate limited when the customer does too much stuff.

> It's not like they got this advantage for free - there's a risk/cost to
> them involved in deploying it - but only by their own choice, not by the
> ISPs actions.
> 
> James
> 
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, at 00:53, Mark Andrews wrote:
> > 
> > In message
> > <1448376141.546129.448792793.355D0567 at webmail.messagingengine.com>, 
> > James Hodgkinson writes:
> > > On Tue, 24 Nov 2015, at 22:15, ausftth at mail.com wrote:
> > > > > [Internode zero rating Netflix] And they're doing something wrong? 
> > > >    Yes. Playing favorites and steering customers towards Netflix, to th
> e de
> > > triment of Stan and others.
> > > 
> > > But *why* is it wrong? Do we know if Stan has offered content nodes and
> > > been knocked back, or asked for money after having their traffic QoS'd?
> > > It's not like they're marking people's quota double for the other
> > > company's services.
> > > 
> > > Because Stan are a relatively new player in the marketplace, should that
> > > mean Netflix can't leverage their capital to buy hardware and spread
> > > their product? Another example: A few of the providers have been
> > > providing free IPTV services for years, directly competing with cable TV
> > > - no complaints there?
> > > 
> > > Why is this new situation, where they are not *negatively* impacting
> > > other services (by QoS or other traffic handling methods) part of the
> > > net neutrality debate? It's muddying the water from the *real* issues
> > > that are being discussed.
> > 
> > If you are not zero rated then you are negatively impacted when
> > others are.  You have to design your product to fit the cap whereas
> > the other player doesn't.
> > 
> > If your customer has used up their allocation for the month then
> > you can't sell them anything while your competition that is zero
> > rated can.
> > 
> > So, yes, this is a net neutrality issue, just not a quite so obvious
> > one.
> > 
> > > James
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