[AusNOG] Cisco 887VA vs Cisco 867VAE

[Skeeve Stevens]

Ruben,

Excellent details... but still... the throughput still isn't very capable.


...Skeeve


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On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Reuben Farrelly <reuben-ausnog at reub.net>
wrote:

> That document was last updated in 2009 and most things on it are now EoL
> and/or obsoleted. For example the 860 on that document is the old original
> model that IIRC is end of life, not the much newer 867VAE, so the figures
> don't apply. Ditto for the 880s - superseeded by the 880VA's.
>
> My real world testing on an 867VAE indicates that 50Mbit/sec is probably
> closer to the limit before the CPU starts to eat dirt. That's with NAT but
> no ACLs and definitely no ZBFW.  A 100M NBN service would definitely be
> beyond one of these units.
>
> Smartnet on them is around $40/year.
>
> I have run into one problem with the 867VAE though. I have one deployed in
> NZ and the DSL trainup time varies between 2 mins and about an hour. I
> raised a TAC case on it, Cisco have told me in writing more than once that
> the firmware on that platform is very very ancient and cannot be upgraded
> (even though there is a download of Broadcom firmware for it on CCO which
> strongly suggests that it can be upgraded). They suggested that a fix for
> the issue was to upgrade to the 880VA, or to get the carrier (Chorus) to
> tweak DSLAM settings to drop the interleave delay. Neither were palatable
> options on what was a new install.
>
> On another one that was installed on a long line in Campbelltown NSW it
> performed very well until the NBN was delivered a couple of months ago.
> Now it drives a 25M NBN service easily and the upgrade from ADSL to NBN was
> done without a new router.
>
> However despite these experiences, overall I would say that they are great
> for functionality and great value for the price.
>
> Reuben
>
> On 2/11/2015 9:35 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>
>> I don't think either of these routers have the throughput to handle
>> decent NBN connections.
>>
>> Check:
>>
>> http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
>>
>> 870 series - 12.8Mbps
>> 860 series - 12.8Mbps
>> 880 series - 25.6Mbos
>> 890 series - 51.2Mbos
>>
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
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>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Radek Tkaczyk <radek at tkaczyk.id.au
>> <mailto:radek at tkaczyk.id.au>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Guys,____
>>
>>     __ __
>>
>>     For those that use Cisco CPE routers, I’d like to get some opinions
>>     on these two models of routers, Cisco 887VA and Cisco 867VA.____
>>
>>     __ __
>>
>>     We have always used the Cisco 887VA for ADSL2+ connections for our
>>     business clients (those that won’t pay from proper Ethernet over
>>     Copper, and a Cisco 881), but with the NBN FTTN now coming up, we
>>     are re-examining our preferred choice of routers.____
>>
>>     __ __
>>
>>     Both support VDSL2, so no problem there for NBN FTTN compatibility
>>     (hopefully), but the Cisco 867VA has the added benefit of having
>>     BOTH VDSL2 WAN and gig WAN (Cisco 887VA only has a single VDSL WAN
>>     port). The Cisco 867VAE also has an additional gig LAN port, as well
>>     as the standard 4 x 100Mbps LAN ports.____
>>
>>     __ __
>>
>>     I have always thought that the 867VAE was a cheap alternative to the
>>     “proper” Cisco 887VA,and we always used the Cisco 887VA so that we
>>     had the best option available, but am interested to hear what other
>>     people’s thoughts are here. Especially considering that the Cisco
>>     867VAE is cheaper than the Cisco 887VA (not by much though)____
>>
>>     __ __
>>
>>     Regards,____
>>
>>     __ __
>>
>>     Radek Tkaczyk____
>>
>>     Ph: 0413 383 231____
>>
>>     __ __
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