[AusNOG] SPAM-MED: Re: Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise

[Paul Brooks]

On 26/03/2015 12:51 PM, Paul Jones wrote:
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> I think the same applies here – I respect people who see the world differently, but
> I think it’s nuts not to be providing dual stack IPV6. It just depends on what
> people’s vision is, and how prepared they like to be for the future. I realise there
> is only a limited number of hours in the day and business demands quite often get in
> the way, but having said that, some companies seem to live in a perpetual state of
> pending chaos! So long as they manage to keep just ahead of the avalanche behind
> them then everything is right with the world….
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This.

If you like to be standards-compliant, then https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp177

BCP 177 = RFC 6540 - IPv6 support required for all IP-capable nodes - If it doesn't
include IPv6 capability as well as IPv4, then its not a RFC-compliant Internet-capable
device.

Its a shame there isn't an equivalent for the interconnecting networks - if the
network doesn't enable IPv6 as well as IPv4, then its not a RFC-compliant Internet
service, and shouldn't be called 'Internet'.

My comment this morning actually wasn't specifically about IPv6, and I never suggested
IPv6-only was feasible yet.
It was more about the application of energy - there are only so many hours in a day,
only so much energy that can be expended on finding solutions. If some of the energy
and time expended on making CG-NAT work incrementally better was instead funnelled
towards making IPv6 ubiquitous, then the CG-NAT stop-gap wouldn't be needed and could
be consigned to the 6th level of hell where it belongs.

P.



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> *From:*AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Kristoffer
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> *To:* Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Damien Gardner Jnr; Mark Andrews
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> Absolutely.  Commercial interests are incentivised by commercial outcomes.  If IPv6
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> would see IPv6 holding a majority over IPv4.  But that isn't the case is it?
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> *Subject*: RE: [AusNOG] SPAM-MED: Re: Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise
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> Hmm not sure that’s absolutely true.
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> *From:*AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Kristoffer
> Sheather @ CloudCentral
> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 March 2015 10:23 AM
> *To:* Damien Gardner Jnr; Mark Andrews
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>; Kristoffer Sheather
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] SPAM-MED: Re: Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise
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> If the customers needed it then the ISP's would be doing it.
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> When it is needed every ISP under the sun that wants customers will be doing it.
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> Thats the commercial and actual reality.
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