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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/03/2015 12:51 PM, Paul Jones
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think the same applies here – I respect people who see the
world differently, but I think it’s nuts not to be providing
dual stack IPV6. It just depends on what people’s vision is,
and how prepared they like to be for the future. I realise
there is only a limited number of hours in the day and
business demands quite often get in the way, but having said
that, some companies seem to live in a perpetual state of
pending chaos! So long as they manage to keep just ahead of
the avalanche behind them then everything is right with the
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This.<br>
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If you like to be standards-compliant, then
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp177">https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp177</a><br>
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BCP 177 = RFC 6540 - IPv6 support required for all IP-capable nodes
- If it doesn't include IPv6 capability as well as IPv4, then its
not a RFC-compliant Internet-capable device.<br>
<br>
Its a shame there isn't an equivalent for the interconnecting
networks - if the network doesn't enable IPv6 as well as IPv4, then
its not a RFC-compliant Internet service, and shouldn't be called
'Internet'.<br>
<br>
My comment this morning actually wasn't specifically about IPv6, and
I never suggested IPv6-only was feasible yet.<br>
It was more about the application of energy - there are only so many
hours in a day, only so much energy that can be expended on finding
solutions. If some of the energy and time expended on making CG-NAT
work incrementally better was instead funnelled towards making IPv6
ubiquitous, then the CG-NAT stop-gap wouldn't be needed and could be
consigned to the 6th level of hell where it belongs.<br>
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P.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 26 March 2015 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Damien Gardner Jnr;
Mark Andrews<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] SPAM-MED: Re: Data Retention
and CGNAT - educational exercise<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Absolutely.
Commercial interests are incentivised by commercial
outcomes. If IPv6 resulted in a commercial outcome to the
majority of commercial interests then you would see IPv6
holding a majority over IPv4. But that isn't the case is
it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">:
"Alex Samad - Yieldbroker" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:27 AM<br>
<b>To</b>: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kris@cloudcentral.com.au">kris@cloudcentral.com.au</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kris@cloudcentral.com.au">kris@cloudcentral.com.au</a>>,
"Damien Gardner Jnr" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net">rendrag@rendrag.net</a>>,
"Mark Andrews" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marka@isc.org">marka@isc.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc</b>: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject</b>: RE: [AusNOG] SPAM-MED: Re: Data Retention
and CGNAT - educational exercise</span><span
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hmm
not sure that’s absolutely true.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Commercial
interests do what’s best for them</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kristoffer Sheather @
CloudCentral<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 26 March 2015 10:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Damien Gardner Jnr; Mark Andrews<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>;
Kristoffer Sheather<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] SPAM-MED: Re: Data
Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If
the customers needed it then the ISP's would be doing
it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">When
it is needed every ISP under the sun that wants
customers will be doing it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thats
the commercial and actual reality.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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