[AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

Geordie Guy elomis at gmail.com
Thu Mar 19 14:20:24 EST 2015


Here's the press gallery vice president complete with a photo of the three
politicians that voted against it standing on one side of the house.

https://twitter.com/mearesy/status/578390507660845057/photo/1

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Kai <vk6ksj at westnet.com.au> wrote:

> Reliable reference(s) please?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geordie Guy"
> To:"Bob Woolley"
> Cc:"ausnog at lists.ausnog.net"
> Sent:Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:09:42 +1100
> Subject:Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers
>
>  Fight's over. Bill just passed. EMC and NetApp salespeople will meet
> you all in your respective lobbies this afternoon.
>  G
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Bob Woolley  wrote:
>   Ayden,
> +1 to this, a very good point. I think some providers have already
> heard this calling, iiNet / Internode are putting data out to their
> consumers on the topic.
>  - Bob W
> On 19 March 2015 at 13:01, Beeson, Ayden  wrote:
> Also you guys have the greatest resource in this fight, your users.
>
>  Has anybody passed on any communication to your users regarding the
> potential privacy impact or cost increases?
>
>  It seems to me the large impact this will have would warrant a
> message to users, even if it's a note on your homepage, a note on the
> monthly invoice etc to let them know what's happening.
>
>  I've seen the biker association laws in NSW and QLD managing to sell
> themselves as a violation of freedom to all people, if they can manage
> that surely we could as well given the privacy implications.
>
>  Last time I looked there were concerns this data could be accessed
> easily for all kinds of non law enforcement uses by courts etc (even
> in divorce cases and the like), that's the sort of stuff that users
> need to be aware of.
>
>  If you educate them, they can fight this battle for / with you.
>
>  Cheers,
>  Ayden
>  (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may have
> occurred)
>
> > On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:42 pm, Beeson, Ayden  wrote:
>  >
>  > I doubt we have seen everything they have done, but if they have
> truly done nothing now then it can't get worse by you being members,
> you can't get worse than 0.
>  >
>  > I don't think they would be attaching your name onto anything you
> didn't agree with...
>  >
>  > Failing that, why don't you all form a coalition of small providers
> and act as one medium / large member?
>  >
>  > Only thing I know for sure is that complaining here isn't stopping
> the government, all the very valid discussions here need to get out of
> this group to have any serious impact.
>  >
>  > As evidenced by that house of reps image earlier, they don't care,
> so it's time to start hammering senators as a unified group, as it's
> not going to stop otherwise and once it's in it'll be really hard to
> change anything.
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > Ayden
>  > (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may
> have occurred)
>  >
>  > On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:34 pm, Tom Berryman  wrote:
>  >
>  >>>> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence
> to prove
> that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here
> to solve that.
>  >>
>  >> Really? They have done nothing to oppose it as of now - you think
> a few "low tier" new members can sway their current position?
>  >> In a more likely outcome, you'd provide more mass to their
> existing position.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> -----Original Message-----
>  >> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [5]] On
> Behalf Of Eric Pinkerton
>  >> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 1:30 PM
>  >> To: Beeson, Ayden; James Morgan
>  >> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net [6]
>  >> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>> So forgive my ignorance, but what is stopping you smaller
> guys
> joining the Comms alliance? If it's cost, perhaps you'd be best served
> by raising that with them and getting a tier / tiers implemented that
> suit your smaller ISP status, even if it's at a different member
> level, at least you'd be "at the table"
>  >>
>  >>> The difference between you guys and the onion guys is they
> have a
> single voice that represents them all, I think you'd be better served
> trying to unify your voices rather than looking at alternative
> arrangements and fragmenting.
>  >>
>  >> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove
> that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here
> to solve that.
>  >>
>  >>
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