[AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers
Kai
vk6ksj at westnet.com.au
Thu Mar 19 14:16:43 EST 2015
Reliable reference(s) please?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geordie Guy"
To:"Bob Woolley"
Cc:"ausnog at lists.ausnog.net"
Sent:Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:09:42 +1100
Subject:Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers
Fight's over. Bill just passed. EMC and NetApp salespeople will meet
you all in your respective lobbies this afternoon.
G
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Bob Woolley wrote:
Ayden,
+1 to this, a very good point. I think some providers have already
heard this calling, iiNet / Internode are putting data out to their
consumers on the topic.
- Bob W
On 19 March 2015 at 13:01, Beeson, Ayden wrote:
Also you guys have the greatest resource in this fight, your users.
Has anybody passed on any communication to your users regarding the
potential privacy impact or cost increases?
It seems to me the large impact this will have would warrant a
message to users, even if it's a note on your homepage, a note on the
monthly invoice etc to let them know what's happening.
I've seen the biker association laws in NSW and QLD managing to sell
themselves as a violation of freedom to all people, if they can manage
that surely we could as well given the privacy implications.
Last time I looked there were concerns this data could be accessed
easily for all kinds of non law enforcement uses by courts etc (even
in divorce cases and the like), that's the sort of stuff that users
need to be aware of.
If you educate them, they can fight this battle for / with you.
Cheers,
Ayden
(Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may have
occurred)
> On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:42 pm, Beeson, Ayden wrote:
>
> I doubt we have seen everything they have done, but if they have
truly done nothing now then it can't get worse by you being members,
you can't get worse than 0.
>
> I don't think they would be attaching your name onto anything you
didn't agree with...
>
> Failing that, why don't you all form a coalition of small providers
and act as one medium / large member?
>
> Only thing I know for sure is that complaining here isn't stopping
the government, all the very valid discussions here need to get out of
this group to have any serious impact.
>
> As evidenced by that house of reps image earlier, they don't care,
so it's time to start hammering senators as a unified group, as it's
not going to stop otherwise and once it's in it'll be really hard to
change anything.
>
> Cheers,
> Ayden
> (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may
have occurred)
>
> On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:34 pm, Tom Berryman wrote:
>
>>>> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove
that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here
to solve that.
>>
>> Really? They have done nothing to oppose it as of now - you think
a few "low tier" new members can sway their current position?
>> In a more likely outcome, you'd provide more mass to their
existing position.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [5]] On
Behalf Of Eric Pinkerton
>> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 1:30 PM
>> To: Beeson, Ayden; James Morgan
>> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net [6]
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers
>>
>>
>>> So forgive my ignorance, but what is stopping you smaller guys
joining the Comms alliance? If it's cost, perhaps you'd be best served
by raising that with them and getting a tier / tiers implemented that
suit your smaller ISP status, even if it's at a different member
level, at least you'd be "at the table"
>>
>>> The difference between you guys and the onion guys is they have a
single voice that represents them all, I think you'd be better served
trying to unify your voices rather than looking at alternative
arrangements and fragmenting.
>>
>> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove
that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here
to solve that.
>>
>>
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