<div dir="ltr">Here's the press gallery vice president complete with a photo of the three politicians that voted against it standing on one side of the house.<div><br></div><div><a href="https://twitter.com/mearesy/status/578390507660845057/photo/1">https://twitter.com/mearesy/status/578390507660845057/photo/1</a><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Kai <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vk6ksj@westnet.com.au" target="_blank">vk6ksj@westnet.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Reliable reference(s) please?<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Geordie Guy"<br>
To:"Bob Woolley"<br>
Cc:"<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>"<br>
Sent:Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:09:42 +1100<br>
Subject:Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers<br>
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</span><span class=""> Fight's over. Bill just passed. EMC and NetApp salespeople will meet<br>
you all in your respective lobbies this afternoon.<br>
G<br>
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</span><span class="">On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Bob Woolley wrote:<br>
Ayden,<br>
+1 to this, a very good point. I think some providers have already<br>
heard this calling, iiNet / Internode are putting data out to their<br>
consumers on the topic.<br>
- Bob W<br>
</span><span class="">On 19 March 2015 at 13:01, Beeson, Ayden wrote:<br>
Also you guys have the greatest resource in this fight, your users.<br>
<br>
Has anybody passed on any communication to your users regarding the<br>
potential privacy impact or cost increases?<br>
<br>
It seems to me the large impact this will have would warrant a<br>
message to users, even if it's a note on your homepage, a note on the<br>
monthly invoice etc to let them know what's happening.<br>
<br>
I've seen the biker association laws in NSW and QLD managing to sell<br>
themselves as a violation of freedom to all people, if they can manage<br>
that surely we could as well given the privacy implications.<br>
<br>
Last time I looked there were concerns this data could be accessed<br>
easily for all kinds of non law enforcement uses by courts etc (even<br>
in divorce cases and the like), that's the sort of stuff that users<br>
need to be aware of.<br>
<br>
If you educate them, they can fight this battle for / with you.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Ayden<br>
(Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may have<br>
occurred)<br>
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</span>> On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:42 pm, Beeson, Ayden wrote:<br>
><br>
> I doubt we have seen everything they have done, but if they have<br>
<span class="">truly done nothing now then it can't get worse by you being members,<br>
you can't get worse than 0.<br>
</span> ><br>
> I don't think they would be attaching your name onto anything you<br>
didn't agree with...<br>
><br>
> Failing that, why don't you all form a coalition of small providers<br>
<span class="">and act as one medium / large member?<br>
</span> ><br>
> Only thing I know for sure is that complaining here isn't stopping<br>
<span class="">the government, all the very valid discussions here need to get out of<br>
this group to have any serious impact.<br>
</span> ><br>
> As evidenced by that house of reps image earlier, they don't care,<br>
<span class="">so it's time to start hammering senators as a unified group, as it's<br>
not going to stop otherwise and once it's in it'll be really hard to<br>
change anything.<br>
</span> ><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Ayden<br>
> (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may<br>
have occurred)<br>
><br>
> On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:34 pm, Tom Berryman wrote:<br>
><br>
>>>> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove<br>
<span class="">that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here<br>
to solve that.<br>
</span> >><br>
>> Really? They have done nothing to oppose it as of now - you think<br>
<span class="">a few "low tier" new members can sway their current position?<br>
</span> >> In a more likely outcome, you'd provide more mass to their<br>
existing position.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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Behalf Of Eric Pinkerton<br>
>> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 1:30 PM<br>
>> To: Beeson, Ayden; James Morgan<br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a> [6]<br>
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers<br>
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>><br>
>>> So forgive my ignorance, but what is stopping you smaller guys<br>
<span class="">joining the Comms alliance? If it's cost, perhaps you'd be best served<br>
by raising that with them and getting a tier / tiers implemented that<br>
suit your smaller ISP status, even if it's at a different member<br>
level, at least you'd be "at the table"<br>
</span> >><br>
>>> The difference between you guys and the onion guys is they have a<br>
<span class="">single voice that represents them all, I think you'd be better served<br>
trying to unify your voices rather than looking at alternative<br>
arrangements and fragmenting.<br>
</span> >><br>
>> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove<br>
<span class="">that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here<br>
to solve that.<br>
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