[AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

Thu Mar 19 14:09:42 EST 2015

Fight's over.  Bill just passed.  EMC and NetApp salespeople will meet you
all in your respective lobbies this afternoon.

G

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Bob Woolley <boblobsta at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ayden,
>
> +1 to this, a very good point.
> I think some providers have already heard this calling, iiNet / Internode
> are putting data out to their consumers on the topic.
>
> - Bob W
>
> On 19 March 2015 at 13:01, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au> wrote:
>
>> Also you guys have the greatest resource in this fight, your users.
>>
>> Has anybody passed on any communication to your users regarding the
>> potential privacy impact or cost increases?
>>
>> It seems to me the large impact this will have would warrant a message to
>> users, even if it's a note on your homepage, a note on the monthly invoice
>> etc to let them know what's happening.
>>
>> I've seen the biker association laws in NSW and QLD managing to sell
>> themselves as a violation of freedom to all people, if they can manage that
>> surely we could as well given the privacy implications.
>>
>> Last time I looked there were concerns this data could be accessed easily
>> for all kinds of non law enforcement uses by courts etc (even in divorce
>> cases and the like), that's the sort of stuff that users need to be aware
>> of.
>>
>> If you educate them, they can fight this battle for / with you.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ayden
>> (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may have
>> occurred)
>>
>> > On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:42 pm, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au> wrote:
>> >
>> > I doubt we have seen everything they have done, but if they have truly
>> done nothing now then it can't get worse by you being members, you can't
>> get worse than 0.
>> >
>> > I don't think they would be attaching your name onto anything you
>> didn't agree with...
>> >
>> > Failing that, why don't you all form a coalition of small providers and
>> act as one medium / large member?
>> >
>> > Only thing I know for sure is that complaining here isn't stopping the
>> government, all the very valid discussions here need to get out of this
>> group to have any serious impact.
>> >
>> > As evidenced by that house of reps image earlier, they don't care, so
>> it's time to start hammering senators as a unified group, as it's not going
>> to stop otherwise and once it's in it'll be really hard to change anything.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Ayden
>> > (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may have
>> occurred)
>> >
>> > On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:34 pm, Tom Berryman <Tom at connectivityit.com.au>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>>> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove
>> that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here to
>> solve that.
>> >>
>> >> Really? They have done nothing to oppose it as of now - you think a
>> few "low tier" new members can sway their current position?
>> >> In a more likely outcome, you'd provide more mass to their existing
>> position.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of
>> Eric Pinkerton
>> >> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 1:30 PM
>> >> To: Beeson, Ayden; James Morgan
>> >> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> >> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> So forgive my ignorance, but what is stopping you smaller guys
>> joining the Comms alliance? If it's cost, perhaps you'd be best served by
>> raising that with them and getting a tier / tiers implemented that suit
>> your smaller ISP status, even if it's at a different member level, at least
>> you'd be "at the table"
>> >>
>> >>> The difference between you guys and the onion guys is they have a
>> single voice that represents them all, I think you'd be better served
>> trying to unify your voices rather than looking at alternative arrangements
>> and fragmenting.
>> >>
>> >> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove that
>> divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here to solve
>> that.
>> >>
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