[AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

Thu Mar 19 14:06:05 EST 2015

Ayden,

+1 to this, a very good point.
I think some providers have already heard this calling, iiNet / Internode
are putting data out to their consumers on the topic.

- Bob W

On 19 March 2015 at 13:01, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au> wrote:

> Also you guys have the greatest resource in this fight, your users.
>
> Has anybody passed on any communication to your users regarding the
> potential privacy impact or cost increases?
>
> It seems to me the large impact this will have would warrant a message to
> users, even if it's a note on your homepage, a note on the monthly invoice
> etc to let them know what's happening.
>
> I've seen the biker association laws in NSW and QLD managing to sell
> themselves as a violation of freedom to all people, if they can manage that
> surely we could as well given the privacy implications.
>
> Last time I looked there were concerns this data could be accessed easily
> for all kinds of non law enforcement uses by courts etc (even in divorce
> cases and the like), that's the sort of stuff that users need to be aware
> of.
>
> If you educate them, they can fight this battle for / with you.
>
> Cheers,
> Ayden
> (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may have
> occurred)
>
> > On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:42 pm, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au> wrote:
> >
> > I doubt we have seen everything they have done, but if they have truly
> done nothing now then it can't get worse by you being members, you can't
> get worse than 0.
> >
> > I don't think they would be attaching your name onto anything you didn't
> agree with...
> >
> > Failing that, why don't you all form a coalition of small providers and
> act as one medium / large member?
> >
> > Only thing I know for sure is that complaining here isn't stopping the
> government, all the very valid discussions here need to get out of this
> group to have any serious impact.
> >
> > As evidenced by that house of reps image earlier, they don't care, so
> it's time to start hammering senators as a unified group, as it's not going
> to stop otherwise and once it's in it'll be really hard to change anything.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ayden
> > (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may have
> occurred)
> >
> > On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:34 pm, Tom Berryman <Tom at connectivityit.com.au>
> wrote:
> >
> >>>> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove that
> divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here to solve
> that.
> >>
> >> Really? They have done nothing to oppose it as of now - you think a few
> "low tier" new members can sway their current position?
> >> In a more likely outcome, you'd provide more mass to their existing
> position.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of
> Eric Pinkerton
> >> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 1:30 PM
> >> To: Beeson, Ayden; James Morgan
> >> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> >> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers
> >>
> >>
> >>> So forgive my ignorance, but what is stopping you smaller guys joining
> the Comms alliance? If it's cost, perhaps you'd be best served by raising
> that with them and getting a tier / tiers implemented that suit your
> smaller ISP status, even if it's at a different member level, at least
> you'd be "at the table"
> >>
> >>> The difference between you guys and the onion guys is they have a
> single voice that represents them all, I think you'd be better served
> trying to unify your voices rather than looking at alternative arrangements
> and fragmenting.
> >>
> >> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove that
> divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here to solve
> that.
> >>
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