[AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

[Beeson, Ayden]

Also you guys have the greatest resource in this fight, your users.

Has anybody passed on any communication to your users regarding the potential privacy impact or cost increases?

It seems to me the large impact this will have would warrant a message to users, even if it's a note on your homepage, a note on the monthly invoice etc to let them know what's happening.

I've seen the biker association laws in NSW and QLD managing to sell themselves as a violation of freedom to all people, if they can manage that surely we could as well given the privacy implications.

Last time I looked there were concerns this data could be accessed easily for all kinds of non law enforcement uses by courts etc (even in divorce cases and the like), that's the sort of stuff that users need to be aware of.

If you educate them, they can fight this battle for / with you.

Cheers,
Ayden
(Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may have occurred)

> On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:42 pm, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au> wrote:
>
> I doubt we have seen everything they have done, but if they have truly done nothing now then it can't get worse by you being members, you can't get worse than 0.
>
> I don't think they would be attaching your name onto anything you didn't agree with...
>
> Failing that, why don't you all form a coalition of small providers and act as one medium / large member?
>
> Only thing I know for sure is that complaining here isn't stopping the government, all the very valid discussions here need to get out of this group to have any serious impact.
>
> As evidenced by that house of reps image earlier, they don't care, so it's time to start hammering senators as a unified group, as it's not going to stop otherwise and once it's in it'll be really hard to change anything.
>
> Cheers,
> Ayden
> (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may have occurred)
>
> On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:34 pm, Tom Berryman <Tom at connectivityit.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here to solve that.
>>
>> Really? They have done nothing to oppose it as of now - you think a few "low tier" new members can sway their current position?
>> In a more likely outcome, you'd provide more mass to their existing position.
>>
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Eric Pinkerton
>> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 1:30 PM
>> To: Beeson, Ayden; James Morgan
>> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers
>>
>>
>>> So forgive my ignorance, but what is stopping you smaller guys joining the Comms alliance? If it's cost, perhaps you'd be best served by raising that with them and getting a tier / tiers implemented that suit your smaller ISP status, even if it's at a different member level, at least you'd be "at the table"
>>
>>> The difference between you guys and the onion guys is they have a single voice that represents them all, I think you'd be better served trying to unify your voices rather than looking at alternative arrangements and fragmenting.
>>
>> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here to solve that.
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