[AusNOG] Job: Head of Network Operations - NEXTDC - SydneyC

[McDonald Richards]

You think being such great engineers they'd be able to build a bridge and
get over it?

Macca


On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag at rendrag.net>
wrote:

> Yeah, the IEAust lost that argument in '99.  They pushed for 'Engineer' as
> a protected title (Like Accountant, iirc), and the govt denied it as being
> too generic.  There was a push from some corners to then try for
> 'Ingenieur', but it got laughed out of council.
>
> Does anyone actually find the IEAust relevant anymore? I have to admit
> it's been quite a few years since they've had any presentations worth
> driving down to see..  I'm about to let my IEEE membership lapse, will
> probably do the same with my IEAust membership when it comes up.  I've only
> kept it this long because they were my first sysadmin job, right out of
> high school :-p
>
> --DG
>
>
> On 6 March 2015 at 18:26, McDonald Richards <mcdonald.richards at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> > [1] Unless they have an IEAust accredited BEng in a relevant field,
>> they're
>> not engineers.
>>
>> Learn the difference between roles and titles. You don't have to be an
>> 'Engineer' to engineer.
>>
>> Macca
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Matt Palmer <mpalmer at hezmatt.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 12:45:44PM +0900, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>> > Interesting perspective.... but I see things from both sides... not
>>> just an
>>> > employee trying to get the most money possible - which isn't always a
>>> smart
>>> > move.
>>>
>>> Only from the employer's perspective.  All else being equal, the smartest
>>> move an employee can make is to get the most money possible.
>>>
>>> > I was just making a suggestion on how someone could be employed
>>> full-time,
>>> > but work for a couple of employers and still drive a good normal
>>> full-time
>>> > wage out of it.
>>>
>>> That pre-supposes the existence of sufficient appropriate part-time jobs
>>> with guaranteed-compatible schedules.  Given that the *vast* majority of
>>> employers of networking specialists[1] would have sufficient work for a
>>> full-time position, and most ops jobs have some on-call component, I
>>> would consider it unlikely that there is going to be a large volume,
>>> percentage-wise, of people able to take your advice.
>>>
>>> On the upside, at least we're not the US, where taking multiple part-time
>>> jobs instead of one full-time job completely screws with your ability to
>>> access affordable medical care.  Yikes.
>>>
>>> - Matt
>>>
>>> [1] Unless they have an IEAust accredited BEng in a relevant field,
>>> they're
>>> not engineers.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> I told [my daughter] that if I see her digging a hole that she might not
>>> be
>>> able to crawl out of, my job isn't to stand back and say "That's a *real*
>>> nice hole you're digging there".
>>>                 -- Paul Tomblin, ASR
>>>
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>
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>
> Damien Gardner Jnr
> VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust
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