<div dir="ltr">You think being such great engineers they'd be able to build a bridge and get over it?<div><br></div><div>Macca</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net" target="_blank">rendrag@rendrag.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yeah, the IEAust lost that argument in '99. They pushed for 'Engineer' as a protected title (Like Accountant, iirc), and the govt denied it as being too generic. There was a push from some corners to then try for 'Ingenieur', but it got laughed out of council.<div><br></div><div>Does anyone actually find the IEAust relevant anymore? I have to admit it's been quite a few years since they've had any presentations worth driving down to see.. I'm about to let my IEEE membership lapse, will probably do the same with my IEAust membership when it comes up. I've only kept it this long because they were my first sysadmin job, right out of high school :-p</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>--DG</div></font></span><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 March 2015 at 18:26, McDonald Richards <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mcdonald.richards@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcdonald.richards@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span>> <span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">[1] Unless they have an IEAust accredited BEng in a relevant field, they're</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">not engineers.</span><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra">Learn the difference between roles and titles. You don't have to be an 'Engineer' to engineer.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Macca</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Matt Palmer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mpalmer@hezmatt.org" target="_blank">mpalmer@hezmatt.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 12:45:44PM +0900, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
> Interesting perspective.... but I see things from both sides... not just an<br>
> employee trying to get the most money possible - which isn't always a smart<br>
> move.<br>
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</span>Only from the employer's perspective. All else being equal, the smartest<br>
move an employee can make is to get the most money possible.<br>
<span><br>
> I was just making a suggestion on how someone could be employed full-time,<br>
> but work for a couple of employers and still drive a good normal full-time<br>
> wage out of it.<br>
<br>
</span>That pre-supposes the existence of sufficient appropriate part-time jobs<br>
with guaranteed-compatible schedules. Given that the *vast* majority of<br>
employers of networking specialists[1] would have sufficient work for a<br>
full-time position, and most ops jobs have some on-call component, I<br>
would consider it unlikely that there is going to be a large volume,<br>
percentage-wise, of people able to take your advice.<br>
<br>
On the upside, at least we're not the US, where taking multiple part-time<br>
jobs instead of one full-time job completely screws with your ability to<br>
access affordable medical care. Yikes.<br>
<br>
- Matt<br>
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[1] Unless they have an IEAust accredited BEng in a relevant field, they're<br>
not engineers.<br>
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--<br>
I told [my daughter] that if I see her digging a hole that she might not be<br>
able to crawl out of, my job isn't to stand back and say "That's a *real*<br>
nice hole you're digging there".<br>
-- Paul Tomblin, ASR<br>
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