[AusNOG] ICANN to bring an end to TLD privacy?

[Geordie Guy]

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Shane Short <shane at short.id.au> wrote:

> That's a different issue here entirely-- you weren't collecting the
> correct information and/or not validating it properly.. The issue at hand
> is having your credentials published publicly, un-obfuscated for the world
> to see-- just so you can have a domain name.
>

Exactly.  Leaving aside the thoroughly debunked idea that anonymisation
leads to abuse, there are no purely anonymous domain registrations.  The
information is always accounted for, complete with annual demands for
updates, and is available to anyone with a genuine reason by going through
a regulated process.  This proposal is to discard that.

<snip>


> What I do have an issue with-- is that collected information being shown
> on the public internet to be gleefully scraped, not just for spam purposes,
> but also identity theft etc.
>

Identity theft is one use case but it can be less delicate than that.  What
was bouncing through my head when I first arced up was the folks I've known
with small online web fronts and abusive ex-partners, stuff like that.
There is absolutely no legitimate reason for public open slather of
people's personal details just because they register a domain name, whether
you are labouring under the misapprehension that it somehow contributes to
your goals of civil Internet use utopia or not.  People who think otherwise
are the type of people who should not have a voice on the matter, and are
largely the reason the Privacy Act exists.

G



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> On 29/06/2015 1:32 p.m., Mark ZZZ Smith wrote:
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>  *From:* Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com> <elomis at gmail.com>
> *To:* Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>
> <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>; Brad Peczka <brad at bradpeczka.com>
> <brad at bradpeczka.com>; "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 27 June 2015, 23:21
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] ICANN to bring an end to TLD privacy?
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>  This is perpetuating the "nothing to hide" myth. Privacy is not about
> being protected from any particular form of harassment such as spam, it's
> about the details of the registration being nobody's goddamn business.
>
>  / I think it is when you're registering a globally unique and *public*
> place holder / identifier using a *public* resource.
>
>
> *snip*
>
> Badly quoted / formatted response aside, Mark has it here.
>
> Early in my career I worked heldpesk and 'abuse@' for a 'free' ISP.  The
> operations of that ISP were funded by interconnect revenues and the bottom
> line was that if you could get online once (borrow a dialup, or use a
> library etc), you could sign up for an internet account that would work
> immediately, with no validation of the details supplied as part of the
> sign-up process.
>
> You can imagine how much abuse the service saw, when people realised there
> was essentially no accountability for your actions when you could be fully
> anonymised (at least, until the account was reviewed for obvious anonymised
> user-data or reported for abusive behavior, and the mighty whack-a-mole act
> began).
>
> Having spent a lot of my career (then, and since) dealing with abuse
> originating from parts of the Internet which don't care to be accountable
> (through anonymised domain name registrations, ISP's too large to be able
> to cope with the number of complaints they get so they ignore them
> entirely, parts of the world where you know that a complaint from a small
> nation in the south pacific aren't worth the time it takes to read them,
> etc) I don't believe that anonymous domain name registrations are necessary.
>
> Mark.
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