[AusNOG] "ISPs agree to graduated warnings for pirates"

[Skeeve Stevens]

This is an interesting report on costs in NZ which ISPs had had to pay.
This will replicate here.

http://www.tcf.org.nz/library/1d42b008-2f17-44b8-850d-abb89849bb3f.cmr

Page 4:

"These initial set up costs have been very significant, with at least
$919,000 spent between CallPlus, Orcon, Telecom, TelstraClear and Vodafone
alone. Given that the current notice fee level (NZ$25) is not even allowing
TCF members to recover on-going operating costs, this clearly suggests an
increase in the fee is appropriate."



...Skeeve


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On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com
> wrote:

> So everyone... let's get our act together, ask for clarification on what
> ISPs these apply to, or in general, hit back at the bits we don't like.
>
> In NZ for instance, they charge (still do?) the Copyright Holders to make
> a claim so that the ISPs are recompensed for the processing of claims.
>
>
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> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Paul Brooks <
> pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au> wrote:
>
>>  +1 Mark.
>>
>> Having been on the inside of the code development process enough times
>> (but not this one) - the *biggest* spanner to the whole process would be
>> for the Comms Alliance committee to receive a hundred submissions pointing
>> out flaws, inconsistencies, suggestions for changes, suggestions for
>> additions, changes to thresholds, all with reasons why the changes should
>> be made, why the proposed measure is disproportionate, and the implications
>> if they are not changed or included.
>> Each one has to be raised, debated and considered for altered drafting.
>> Each one provides an evidence trail that the draft Code does *not*
>> represent the consensus of the industry, for the inevitable review later.
>> Even better if the same points are raised by multiple comment submissions.
>> And come April 8, the committee can genuinely tell the Government 'we
>> couldn't meet the deadline because we're still working through the deluge
>> of submissions from the public comment period'.
>> *If* they get the deluge of comments and submissions - from the AusNOG
>> (and non-AusNOG) community.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23/02/2015 12:22 PM, Mark Newton wrote:
>>
>>
>>  On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Paul Brooks <pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>   The group that put this together had a deadline to put out a draft
>> code that both sides could at least live with - if they don't meet the
>> deadline with a draft that the service providers AND the content industry
>> can live with, then the Government was going to 'create' one themselves and
>> impose it whether you liked it or not - and most people figured that would
>> be worse. They still might.
>>
>>
>>  Nope, that’d be much better.
>>
>>  Make the government take some gooddamn responsibility for the
>> inevitable public backlash. Make it their mess, beginning to end, enacted
>> in a democratic forum where voters can make submissions and have a say, and
>> the whole process can get watered down in the Senate. Make it so that when
>> ISPs screw-over customers, customers are in no doubt whatsoever that
>> they’re being screwed over due to government policy, and they can scream
>> blue murder at their MPs and get the law changed.
>>
>>  By agreeing to turn it into an industry issue, Comms Alliance has given
>> the government plausible deniability, and usurped the democratic process by
>> turning it into a cosy negotiated arrangement behind closed doors, where
>> the content owners get what they want, and the service providers get them
>> to agree to be nice, and we the public get literally no say in it
>> whatsoever.  And when service providers screw over customers, customers
>> will quite rightly direct their ire at their ISPs.
>>
>>  Best possible outcome for the Government and the rightsholders: Free
>> kicks for everybody! ISP industry rolls over *again*, and will
>> subsequently wonder why they never have any political influence over
>> anything, and keep getting treated with contemptuous disregard by both
>> sides of politics because they are literally the easiest industry in the
>> entire economy to house-train.
>>
>>    - mark
>>
>>
>>
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