[AusNOG] "ISPs agree to graduated warnings for pirates"

[Skeeve Stevens]

So everyone... let's get our act together, ask for clarification on what
ISPs these apply to, or in general, hit back at the bits we don't like.

In NZ for instance, they charge (still do?) the Copyright Holders to make a
claim so that the ISPs are recompensed for the processing of claims.


...Skeeve


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On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Paul Brooks <pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au>
wrote:

>  +1 Mark.
>
> Having been on the inside of the code development process enough times
> (but not this one) - the *biggest* spanner to the whole process would be
> for the Comms Alliance committee to receive a hundred submissions pointing
> out flaws, inconsistencies, suggestions for changes, suggestions for
> additions, changes to thresholds, all with reasons why the changes should
> be made, why the proposed measure is disproportionate, and the implications
> if they are not changed or included.
> Each one has to be raised, debated and considered for altered drafting.
> Each one provides an evidence trail that the draft Code does *not*
> represent the consensus of the industry, for the inevitable review later.
> Even better if the same points are raised by multiple comment submissions.
> And come April 8, the committee can genuinely tell the Government 'we
> couldn't meet the deadline because we're still working through the deluge
> of submissions from the public comment period'.
> *If* they get the deluge of comments and submissions - from the AusNOG
> (and non-AusNOG) community.
>
>
>
> On 23/02/2015 12:22 PM, Mark Newton wrote:
>
>
>  On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Paul Brooks <pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>   The group that put this together had a deadline to put out a draft code
> that both sides could at least live with - if they don't meet the deadline
> with a draft that the service providers AND the content industry can live
> with, then the Government was going to 'create' one themselves and impose
> it whether you liked it or not - and most people figured that would be
> worse. They still might.
>
>
>  Nope, that’d be much better.
>
>  Make the government take some gooddamn responsibility for the inevitable
> public backlash. Make it their mess, beginning to end, enacted in a
> democratic forum where voters can make submissions and have a say, and the
> whole process can get watered down in the Senate. Make it so that when ISPs
> screw-over customers, customers are in no doubt whatsoever that they’re
> being screwed over due to government policy, and they can scream blue
> murder at their MPs and get the law changed.
>
>  By agreeing to turn it into an industry issue, Comms Alliance has given
> the government plausible deniability, and usurped the democratic process by
> turning it into a cosy negotiated arrangement behind closed doors, where
> the content owners get what they want, and the service providers get them
> to agree to be nice, and we the public get literally no say in it
> whatsoever.  And when service providers screw over customers, customers
> will quite rightly direct their ire at their ISPs.
>
>  Best possible outcome for the Government and the rightsholders: Free
> kicks for everybody! ISP industry rolls over *again*, and will
> subsequently wonder why they never have any political influence over
> anything, and keep getting treated with contemptuous disregard by both
> sides of politics because they are literally the easiest industry in the
> entire economy to house-train.
>
>    - mark
>
>
>
>
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