[AusNOG] Data Retention Charge To End Users
Matt Perkins
matt at spectrum.com.au
Tue Aug 18 14:47:34 EST 2015
On 18/08/2015 10:17 AM, Geordie Guy wrote:
> That wasn't intended to be a personal attack and I apologise
> unreservedly for not being more careful in how I worded it. I was
> highlighting a quote, deliberately out of context, that could be taken
> by an outsider as evidence that something legally relevant was being
> discussed.
Understood and no hard feelings.
>
> I'd add a further caution to John's - the industry allowed itself to
> get screwed by this policy and it's now past the fight phase and
> acquiesce phase. *This* phase is where the AGD focuses on making sure
> that the government and bureaucracy are not blamed for negative
> consequences (that they said wouldn't happen). If you're trying to
> think of (legal) ways to make sure the people who did this to you have
> to lie in the bed they made too, I'd suggest the public list is not
> the forum for it, they'll be watching and they'll retaliate with the
> tools they as the attorney general's department have at their
> disposal, and that has the potential to be acutely unpleasant.
>
I'd also add that we have never really had a massive whine about the
legislation and although it would be better to pass the costs on or get
compensation from the Goverment. We will get the job done and pay for it
ourselves if need be. All our interactions with AG's have been extremely
positive and the hard work done by Comms Alliance and the IS has been
very helpful. It's likely one of the reasons why our DRIP was in
three weeks ago because we spent less time pondering things out of our
control and more time doing.
Matt.
> G
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au
> <mailto:matt at spectrum.com.au>> wrote:
>
> My statement is my option of how customers within the industry
> would behave and is by no means collusion or suggestion that the
> industry should collude.
>
> I'm not sure it's fair to cast such a broad brush. Happy for the
> thread to stop but a bit puzzled at the personal attack.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
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> On 18 Aug 2015, at 9:49 AM, Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com
> <mailto:elomis at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> "In the end unless the entire industry does it. People will use
>> it as another commercial point of difference"
>>
>> Yeah look I wouldn't talk about this in this way and I think it'd
>> be a good idea if a mod steps in.
>>
>> G
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Jacob Gardiner
>> <jacob at jacobgardiner.com <mailto:jacob at jacobgardiner.com>> wrote:
>>
>> What, you’re not allowed to talk about your costs?
>>
>> Please. This is nowhere near collusion.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 August 2015 at 3:41:59 pm, John Lindsay
>> (johnslindsay at mac.com <mailto:johnslindsay at mac.com>) wrote:
>>
>>> As a former Regulatory and Corporate Affairs Manager I think
>>> I should warn that this is dangerously close to industry
>>> collusion and shouldn’t be discussed.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> jsl
>>>
>>> John Lindsay
>>> johnslindsay at mac.com <mailto:johnslindsay at mac.com>
>>> +61403577711 <tel:%2B61403577711>
>>>
>>>> On 17 Aug 2015, at 12:02 pm, Andrew Kitchen
>>>> <a.kitchen at xi.com.au <mailto:a.kitchen at xi.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey All
>>>>
>>>> I know when Andrew Yager ran the Data Retention workshop in
>>>> Sydney recently towards the end and this was only touched
>>>> on briefly about putting a Data Retention type of charge on
>>>> end users accounts to help cover the out of pocket costs
>>>> that we all face. I haven’t seen any further information
>>>> about this out in the media so I am just seeing what the
>>>> feeling is amongst the industry and if anyone has any ideas
>>>> about how to calculate charges etc.
>>>>
>>>> I feel that some kind of charges has to be past on to users
>>>> as the out of pocket expense to the industry is too high
>>>> for us to wear and needs to be recovered but it would be
>>>> nice for the industry as a whole to approach the together
>>>> rather than some pass it on and others wear it.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Kitchen
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