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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/08/2015 10:17 AM, Geordie Guy
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      <div dir="ltr">That wasn't intended to be a personal attack and I
        apologise unreservedly for not being more careful in how I
        worded it.  I was highlighting a quote, deliberately out of
        context, that could be taken by an outsider as evidence that
        something legally relevant was being discussed.</div>
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    Understood and no hard feelings. <br>
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        <div>I'd add a further caution to John's - the industry allowed
          itself to get screwed by this policy and it's now past the
          fight phase and acquiesce phase. *This* phase is where the AGD
          focuses on making sure that the government and bureaucracy are
          not blamed for negative consequences (that they said wouldn't
          happen).  If you're trying to think of (legal) ways to make
          sure the people who did this to you have to lie in the bed
          they made too, I'd suggest the public list is not the forum
          for it, they'll be watching and they'll retaliate with the
          tools they as the attorney general's department have at their
          disposal, and that has the potential to be acutely unpleasant.</div>
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    I'd also add that we have never really had a massive whine about the
    legislation and although it would be better to pass the costs on or
    get compensation from the Goverment. We will get the job done and
    pay for it ourselves if need be. All our interactions with AG's have
    been extremely positive and the hard  work done by Comms Alliance
    and the IS has been very helpful.     It's likely one of the reasons
    why our DRIP was in three weeks ago because we spent less time
    pondering things out of our control and more time doing. <br>
    <br>
    Matt.<br>
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        <div>G</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Matt
          Perkins <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">matt@spectrum.com.au</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>My statement is my option of how customers within the
                industry would behave and is by no means collusion or
                suggestion that the industry should collude.  </div>
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              <div>I'm not sure it's fair  to cast such a broad brush. 
                Happy for the thread to stop but a bit puzzled at the
                personal attack.  </div>
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              <div>Matt</div>
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                  <div><br>
                    On 18 Aug 2015, at 9:49 AM, Geordie Guy <<a
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                      href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com">elomis@gmail.com</a></a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">"<span
                          style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">In the
                          end unless the entire industry does it. 
                          People will use it as another commercial 
                          point of difference"</span>
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                        <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Yeah
                            look I wouldn't talk about this in this way
                            and I think it'd be a good idea if a mod
                            steps in.</span></div>
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                        <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">G</span></div>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at
                          4:15 PM, Jacob Gardiner <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                              href="mailto:jacob@jacobgardiner.com"
                              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jacob@jacobgardiner.com">jacob@jacobgardiner.com</a></a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
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                              <div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">What,
                                you’re not allowed to talk about your
                                costs?</div>
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                              <div
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">Please.
                                This is nowhere near collusion.</div>
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                                  <p style="color:#000">On 17 August
                                    2015 at 3:41:59 pm, John Lindsay (<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:johnslindsay@mac.com"
                                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:johnslindsay@mac.com">johnslindsay@mac.com</a></a>)
                                    wrote:</p>
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                                          <div>As a former Regulatory
                                            and Corporate Affairs
                                            Manager
                                            I think I should warn that
                                            this is dangerously close to
                                            industry
                                            collusion and shouldn’t be
                                            discussed.</div>
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                                          <div>Cheers,</div>
                                          <div><br>
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                                          <div>jsl</div>
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                                            <div>John Lindsay</div>
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                                              <div>On 17 Aug 2015, at
                                                12:02 pm, Andrew Kitchen
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                                                wrote:</div>
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                                                      <div>Hey All</div>
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                                                      <div>I know when
                                                        Andrew Yager ran
                                                        the Data
                                                        Retention
                                                        workshop in
                                                        Sydney recently
                                                        towards the end
                                                        and this was
                                                        only
                                                        touched on
                                                        briefly about
                                                        putting a Data
                                                        Retention type
                                                        of charge on
                                                        end users
                                                        accounts to help
                                                        cover the out of
                                                        pocket costs
                                                        that we
                                                        all face.  I
                                                        haven’t seen any
                                                        further
                                                        information
                                                        about this
                                                        out in the media
                                                        so I am just
                                                        seeing what the
                                                        feeling is
                                                        amongst
                                                        the industry and
                                                        if anyone has
                                                        any ideas about
                                                        how to calculate
                                                        charges etc.</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>I feel that
                                                        some kind of
                                                        charges has to
                                                        be past on to
                                                        users as the out
                                                        of pocket
                                                        expense to the
                                                        industry is too
                                                        high for
                                                        us to wear and
                                                        needs to be
                                                        recovered but it
                                                        would be nice
                                                        for the
                                                        industry as a
                                                        whole to
                                                        approach the
                                                        together rather
                                                        than some pass
                                                        it on and others
                                                        wear it.</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Regards</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Andrew
                                                        Kitchen</div>
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