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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/08/2015 10:17 AM, Geordie Guy
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<div dir="ltr">That wasn't intended to be a personal attack and I
apologise unreservedly for not being more careful in how I
worded it. I was highlighting a quote, deliberately out of
context, that could be taken by an outsider as evidence that
something legally relevant was being discussed.</div>
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Understood and no hard feelings. <br>
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<div>I'd add a further caution to John's - the industry allowed
itself to get screwed by this policy and it's now past the
fight phase and acquiesce phase. *This* phase is where the AGD
focuses on making sure that the government and bureaucracy are
not blamed for negative consequences (that they said wouldn't
happen). If you're trying to think of (legal) ways to make
sure the people who did this to you have to lie in the bed
they made too, I'd suggest the public list is not the forum
for it, they'll be watching and they'll retaliate with the
tools they as the attorney general's department have at their
disposal, and that has the potential to be acutely unpleasant.</div>
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I'd also add that we have never really had a massive whine about the
legislation and although it would be better to pass the costs on or
get compensation from the Goverment. We will get the job done and
pay for it ourselves if need be. All our interactions with AG's have
been extremely positive and the hard work done by Comms Alliance
and the IS has been very helpful. It's likely one of the reasons
why our DRIP was in three weeks ago because we spent less time
pondering things out of our control and more time doing. <br>
<br>
Matt.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Matt
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<div>My statement is my option of how customers within the
industry would behave and is by no means collusion or
suggestion that the industry should collude. </div>
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<div>I'm not sure it's fair to cast such a broad brush.
Happy for the thread to stop but a bit puzzled at the
personal attack. </div>
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On 18 Aug 2015, at 9:49 AM, Geordie Guy <<a
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<div dir="ltr">"<span
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">In the
end unless the entire industry does it.
People will use it as another commercial
point of difference"</span>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Yeah
look I wouldn't talk about this in this way
and I think it'd be a good idea if a mod
steps in.</span></div>
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<div
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you’re not allowed to talk about your
costs?</div>
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<div
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This is nowhere near collusion.</div>
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2015 at 3:41:59 pm, John Lindsay (<a
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<div>As a former Regulatory
and Corporate Affairs
Manager
I think I should warn that
this is dangerously close to
industry
collusion and shouldn’t be
discussed.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<div>jsl</div>
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12:02 pm, Andrew Kitchen
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<div>Hey All</div>
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<div>I know when
Andrew Yager ran
the Data
Retention
workshop in
Sydney recently
towards the end
and this was
only
touched on
briefly about
putting a Data
Retention type
of charge on
end users
accounts to help
cover the out of
pocket costs
that we
all face. I
haven’t seen any
further
information
about this
out in the media
so I am just
seeing what the
feeling is
amongst
the industry and
if anyone has
any ideas about
how to calculate
charges etc.</div>
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<div>I feel that
some kind of
charges has to
be past on to
users as the out
of pocket
expense to the
industry is too
high for
us to wear and
needs to be
recovered but it
would be nice
for the
industry as a
whole to
approach the
together rather
than some pass
it on and others
wear it.</div>
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<div>Regards</div>
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<div>Andrew
Kitchen</div>
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