[AusNOG] Netflix Peering in AU

[Craig Askings]

However it’s impact on the ISPs distribution network is exactly the same as transit.

And at the moment AGVC is one of the biggest issues facing ISPs and probably the hardest to work around. From an end user perspective (aka 99.95% of the readers of that story), Peering, AGVC are all required parts of their internet experience.

On 6 Apr 2015, at 9:40 pm, Brendan Halley <brendan at halley.net.au> wrote:

> Yes, because the general public knows the difference between a peer exchange and the internet.
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> And let's be serious, traffic going through an IX is having no impact on Australia's internet, by definition.
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> On 06/04/2015 7:18 pm, "Ben Grubb" <bgrubb at smh.com.au> wrote:
> Btw, I never said they graphs showed the whole impact Netflix was having on the Aussie internet ;) 
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> On 6 April 2015 at 19:16, Ben Grubb <bgrubb at smh.com.au> wrote:
> I understand the point you're trying to make —  perhaps "These graphs show *some of* the impact Netflix is having on the Australian internet" might have pleased you more. The purpose was to quantify how much traffic was being pumped through peering exchanges. A headline with peering in it isn't going to be that digestible.
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> In lieu of other stats — iiNet and Megaport's are both listed in the story  — this is what we have to go on.
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> I actually list the ISPs in the story who are not using caching nodes: "Member ISPs include Exetel, M2 Telecom (which owns the Dodo and iPrimus brands), and the Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNET)".
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> Anyway, I don't want this to continue to go off-topic and piss people off so I'll try and leave it at that :)
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> On 6 April 2015 at 19:02, Seamus Ryan <s.ryan at uber.com.au> wrote:
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> >>   Again, I don't understand what the complaint is. These were not super secret graphs...
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> Can I nitpick?  
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> The graphs being used don’t concern me the slightest, they are public and are free for anyone to use IMO. It’s the title that gets me "These graphs show the impact Netflix is having on the Australian internet"
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> No, they don’t.
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> All those graphs show is a large amount of traffic suddenly being served locally using domestic IX’s rather than being pulled from overseas networks. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has actually provided statistics (real stats, not estimations) on how many Netflix users resided in Australia BEFORE Netflix officially launched here. Additionally, nobody has provided stats on the signup rate since the official launch. The former we will probably never know because it isn’t in their interests to know.
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> If you read through the history of this thread, or even do just a few minutes of testing, you will find US-Exclusive content being served to Australian users (I won’t go into how, you all know) is in fact being served by IP’s/Caches that reside in Australia.  
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> What this means is that you,  (nor I) can prove the large amount of traffic hitting the Netflix caches locally (the ones linked to in your news article) is in fact a huge surge in Netflix signups, or simply the many users who have been using Netflix for years in Australia suddenly hitting a local cache rather than one overseas.
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> The only half-fact we have from iiNet was:
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> Netflix has already reached 15 per cent of iiNet's consumer traffic in the first two days since launch. We are terrifically excited by the response
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> But I would question whether iiNet (or any ISP for that matter) was actually keeping a close eye on their users’ Netflix traffic BEFORE the official launch in Australia. I would be interested to hear if some of the larger players have noticed a drop in international traffic simply because the content is now local.
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> Food for thoughts J
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> Regards,
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