[AusNOG] Netflix Peering in AU

Mon Apr 6 22:19:47 EST 2015

True, I am not looking at a big enough picture. My apologies.

Brendan
On 06/04/2015 10:17 pm, "Craig Askings" <craig at askings.com.au> wrote:

> However it’s impact on the ISPs distribution network is exactly the same
> as transit.
>
> And at the moment AGVC is one of the biggest issues facing ISPs and
> probably the hardest to work around. From an end user perspective (aka
> 99.95% of the readers of that story), Peering, AGVC are all required parts
> of their internet experience.
>
> On 6 Apr 2015, at 9:40 pm, Brendan Halley <brendan at halley.net.au> wrote:
>
> Yes, because the general public knows the difference between a peer
> exchange and the internet.
>
> And let's be serious, traffic going through an IX is having no impact on
> Australia's internet, by definition.
>
> Brendan
> On 06/04/2015 7:18 pm, "Ben Grubb" <bgrubb at smh.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Btw, I never said they graphs showed the whole impact Netflix was having
>> on the Aussie internet ;)
>>
>> On 6 April 2015 at 19:16, Ben Grubb <bgrubb at smh.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> I understand the point you're trying to make —  perhaps "These graphs
>>> show **some of** the impact Netflix is having on the Australian
>>> internet" might have pleased you more. The purpose was to quantify how much
>>> traffic was being pumped through peering exchanges. A headline with peering
>>> in it isn't going to be that digestible.
>>>
>>> In lieu of other stats — iiNet and Megaport's are both listed in the
>>> story  — this is what we have to go on.
>>>
>>> I actually list the ISPs in the story who are not using caching nodes:
>>> "Member ISPs include Exetel, M2 Telecom (which owns the Dodo and iPrimus
>>> brands), and the Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNET)".
>>>
>>> Anyway, I don't want this to continue to go off-topic and piss people
>>> off so I'll try and leave it at that :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 April 2015 at 19:02, Seamus Ryan <s.ryan at uber.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>   Again, I don't understand what the complaint is. These were not
>>>> super secret graphs...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can I nitpick?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The graphs being used don’t concern me the slightest, they are public
>>>> and are free for anyone to use IMO. It’s the title that gets me *"These
>>>> graphs show the impact Netflix is having on the Australian internet*"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, they don’t.
>>>>
>>>> All those graphs show is a large amount of traffic suddenly being
>>>> served locally using domestic IX’s rather than being pulled from overseas
>>>> networks. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has actually provided
>>>> statistics (real stats, not estimations) on how many Netflix users resided
>>>> in Australia BEFORE Netflix officially launched here. Additionally, nobody
>>>> has provided stats on the signup rate since the official launch. The former
>>>> we will probably never know because it isn’t in their interests to know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you read through the history of this thread, or even do just a few
>>>> minutes of testing, you will find US-Exclusive content being served to
>>>> Australian users (I won’t go into how, you all know) is in fact being
>>>> served by IP’s/Caches that reside in Australia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What this means is that you,  (nor I) can prove the large amount of
>>>> traffic hitting the Netflix caches locally (the ones linked to in your news
>>>> article) is in fact a huge surge in Netflix signups, or simply the many
>>>> users who have been using Netflix for years in Australia suddenly hitting a
>>>> local cache rather than one overseas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The only half-fact we have from iiNet was:
>>>>
>>>> *Netflix has already reached 15 per cent of iiNet's consumer traffic in
>>>> the first two days since launch. We are terrifically excited by the
>>>> response*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But I would question whether iiNet (or any ISP for that matter) was
>>>> actually keeping a close eye on their users’ Netflix traffic BEFORE the
>>>> official launch in Australia. I would be interested to hear if some of the
>>>> larger players have noticed a drop in international traffic simply because
>>>> the content is now local.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Food for thoughts J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Seamus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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