[AusNOG] Netflix Peering in AU

Sun Apr 5 11:07:18 EST 2015

Pretty sure we've been talking about them over the past day :)

 But yes, CVC costs are *crazy* high and need to drop drastically if the 
gumbyments NBN 'information superhighway' is ever to be useful.

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 From: "Mark McKibbin" <mark at team.dcsi.net.au>
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 10:56 AM
To: "Ben Grubb" <bgrubb at smh.com.au>
Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>, "Shayne" 
<shayne.mcc at gmail.com>
Subject: SPAM-MED: Re: [AusNOG] Netflix Peering in AU   
 Yes the CVC costs are the elephant in the room that no one is talking 
about.       

Mark McKibbin
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DCS Internet Pty Ltd | 64 Queen St, Warragul VIC 3820
			W: www.dcsi.net.au | P: 03 5624 1111 | M: 0419 515 606  				  		

   On 5 April 2015 at 10:02, Ben Grubb <bgrubb at smh.com.au> wrote:   One 
extra point to add to this:  
 Internet prices are going to have to go up if NBN CVC doesn't go down and 
SVOD take up continues at the current rate. Prices are also going to have 
to go up on off-net DSL I suspect as well.

 Food for thought.

     On 5 April 2015 at 09:52, Ben Grubb <bgrubb at smh.com.au> wrote:   If 
anything, people should be questioning why Netflix decided to have them 
removed. Not very transparent in my view... but I suspect it was because 
they didn't want to be associated with 'slowing down the internet'.  
 Conversely, perhaps they didn't realise their traffic graphs were public.  

 What I find really interesting at the moment is that Netflix could 
actually be a very good arguing point for smaller carriers to get NBN Co's 
$17.50 per Mbps CVC charge reduced, and the 121 points of interconnect 
reduced.

 If everyone is averaging 4Mbps during peak periods you're all going to 
have to provision for that.

 Add the access charge on top of that and you're going to be making very 
little money.

 Phil Dobbie did a good podcast on this last week:
 http://whirlpool.net.au/news/go.cfm?article=88059

 What also surprised me was iiNet underestimating how popular Netflix would 
be.

 They've been putting up a dozen fault notices over the last few days 
recognising backhaul issues in peak periods: 
 http://www.iinet.net.au/status/fault.php?id=3893465
 http://www.iinet.net.au/status/fault.php?id=3853439
 http://www.iinet.net.au/status/fault.php?id=3845149
 etc etc

 iiNet's CEO initially blamed Telstra for Mass Service Disruptions for slow 
speeds but it was not related to that.

 At least they're being transparent about it I guess with fault notices :)

     On 5 April 2015 at 09:41, Shayne <shayne.mcc at gmail.com> wrote:   

I agree. The graphs were public.  

Any complaints is about not being able to see them again which is a 
shame... and its all about pointing the blame at someone  

At the end of the day it's not Ben's fault even If this article was the 
cause.

     On 05/04/2015 9:31 am, "Ben Grubb" <bgrubb at smh.com.au> wrote:

    "I suggest that in future when you write a story that utilises publicly 
available data"   
 As Simon Lyall has pointed out, these were actually public graphs. There 
was no password protection on them.

 Type "IX Australia graphs" into Google and you'll find them straight 
away.

 By the way, the graphs I used are actually still public - I didn't 
actually use the Netflix port ones as images, though I did link to them.

 There was no "redo" of the data - it was simply WYSIWYG with a grey 
background to compensate for the width of the article, as explained 
earlier. The source of the data was also clearly stated in the article.

 Again, I don't understand what the complaint is. These were not super 
secret graphs...

   On 5 April 2015 at 00:02, Peter Lawler <ausnog at bleeter.id.au> wrote:  On 
04/04/15 02:33, Ben Grubb wrote:
> It's funny because I didn't
> actually sensationalise it like you are suggesting

I suspect that point is, Ben, that you didn't need to. You've, in your
mind at least, simply done your job and any collateral damage that you
may have caused is none of your concern or responsibility, either
morally or ethically.

I suggest that in future when you write a story that utilises publicly
available data, you don't simply screenshot and rejig the background.
Redo the stuff entirely, that way sources may not get pissed off at
their data being used for what they may believe be purposes for which it
was not intended.

Regards,

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