[AusNOG] Netflix Peering in AU

Sun Apr 5 10:55:40 EST 2015

Yes the CVC costs are the elephant in the room that no one is talking about.

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*Mark McKibbin*
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On 5 April 2015 at 10:02, Ben Grubb <bgrubb at smh.com.au> wrote:

> One extra point to add to this:
>
> Internet prices are going to have to go up if NBN CVC doesn't go down and
> SVOD take up continues at the current rate. Prices are also going to have
> to go up on off-net DSL I suspect as well.
>
> Food for thought.
>
> On 5 April 2015 at 09:52, Ben Grubb <bgrubb at smh.com.au> wrote:
>
>> If anything, people should be questioning why Netflix decided to have
>> them removed. Not very transparent in my view... but I suspect it was
>> because they didn't want to be associated with 'slowing down the internet'.
>>
>> Conversely, perhaps they didn't realise their traffic graphs were public.
>>
>> What I find really interesting at the moment is that Netflix could
>> actually be a very good arguing point for smaller carriers to get NBN Co's
>> $17.50 per Mbps CVC charge reduced, and the 121 points of interconnect
>> reduced.
>>
>> If everyone is averaging 4Mbps during peak periods you're all going to
>> have to provision for that.
>>
>> Add the access charge on top of that and you're going to be making very
>> little money.
>>
>> Phil Dobbie did a good podcast on this last week:
>> http://whirlpool.net.au/news/go.cfm?article=88059
>>
>> What also surprised me was iiNet underestimating how popular Netflix
>> would be.
>>
>> They've been putting up a dozen fault notices over the last few days
>> recognising backhaul issues in peak periods:
>> http://www.iinet.net.au/status/fault.php?id=3893465
>> http://www.iinet.net.au/status/fault.php?id=3853439
>> http://www.iinet.net.au/status/fault.php?id=3845149
>> etc etc
>>
>> iiNet's CEO initially blamed Telstra for Mass Service Disruptions for
>> slow speeds but it was not related to that.
>>
>> At least they're being transparent about it I guess with fault notices :)
>>
>>
>> On 5 April 2015 at 09:41, Shayne <shayne.mcc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree. The graphs were public.
>>>
>>> Any complaints is about not being able to see them again which is a
>>> shame... and its all about pointing the blame at someone
>>>
>>> At the end of the day it's not Ben's fault even If this article was the
>>> cause.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/04/2015 9:31 am, "Ben Grubb" <bgrubb at smh.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "I suggest that in future when you write a story that utilises
>>>> publicly available data"
>>>>
>>>> As Simon Lyall has pointed out, these were actually public graphs.
>>>> There was no password protection on them.
>>>>
>>>> Type "IX Australia graphs" into Google and you'll find them straight
>>>> away.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, the graphs I used are actually still public - I didn't
>>>> actually use the Netflix port ones as images, though I did link to them.
>>>>
>>>> There was no "redo" of the data - it was simply WYSIWYG with a grey
>>>> background to compensate for the width of the article, as explained
>>>> earlier. The source of the data was also clearly stated in the article.
>>>>
>>>> Again, I don't understand what the complaint is. These were not super
>>>> secret graphs...
>>>>
>>>> On 5 April 2015 at 00:02, Peter Lawler <ausnog at bleeter.id.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/04/15 02:33, Ben Grubb wrote:
>>>>> > It's funny because I didn't
>>>>> > actually sensationalise it like you are suggesting
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that point is, Ben, that you didn't need to. You've, in your
>>>>> mind at least, simply done your job and any collateral damage that you
>>>>> may have caused is none of your concern or responsibility, either
>>>>> morally or ethically.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest that in future when you write a story that utilises publicly
>>>>> available data, you don't simply screenshot and rejig the background.
>>>>> Redo the stuff entirely, that way sources may not get pissed off at
>>>>> their data being used for what they may believe be purposes for which
>>>>> it
>>>>> was not intended.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pete.
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