<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px"><div>Pretty sure we've been talking about them over the past day :)</div>
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<div>But yes, CVC costs are *crazy* high and need to drop drastically if the gumbyments NBN 'information superhighway' is ever to be useful.</div>
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<b>Sent</b>: Sunday, April 5, 2015 10:56 AM<br />
<b>To</b>: "Ben Grubb" <bgrubb@smh.com.au><br />
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<b>Subject</b>: SPAM-MED: Re: [AusNOG] Netflix Peering in AU</span>
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<div dir="ltr">Yes the CVC costs are the elephant in the room that no one is talking about.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2015 at 10:02, Ben Grubb <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bgrubb@smh.com.au" target="_blank">bgrubb@smh.com.au</a>></span> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">One extra point to add to this:
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<div>Internet prices are going to have to go up if NBN CVC doesn't go down and SVOD take up continues at the current rate. Prices are also going to have to go up on off-net DSL I suspect as well.</div>
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<div>Food for thought.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2015 at 09:52, Ben Grubb <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bgrubb@smh.com.au" target="_blank">bgrubb@smh.com.au</a>></span> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">If anything, people should be questioning why Netflix decided to have them removed. Not very transparent in my view... but I suspect it was because they didn't want to be associated with 'slowing down the internet'.
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<div>Conversely, perhaps they didn't realise their traffic graphs were public.
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<div>What I find really interesting at the moment is that Netflix could actually be a very good arguing point for smaller carriers to get NBN Co's $17.50 per Mbps CVC charge reduced, and the 121 points of interconnect reduced.</div>
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<div>If everyone is averaging 4Mbps during peak periods you're all going to have to provision for that.</div>
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<div>Add the access charge on top of that and you're going to be making very little money.</div>
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<div>Phil Dobbie did a good podcast on this last week:</div>
<div><a href="http://whirlpool.net.au/news/go.cfm?article=88059" target="_blank">http://whirlpool.net.au/news/go.cfm?article=88059</a></div>
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<div>What also surprised me was iiNet underestimating how popular Netflix would be.</div>
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<div>They've been putting up a dozen fault notices over the last few days recognising backhaul issues in peak periods: </div>
<div><a href="http://www.iinet.net.au/status/fault.php?id=3893465" target="_blank">http://www.iinet.net.au/status/fault.php?id=3893465</a></div>
<div><a href="http://www.iinet.net.au/status/fault.php?id=3853439" target="_blank">http://www.iinet.net.au/status/fault.php?id=3853439</a></div>
<div><a href="http://www.iinet.net.au/status/fault.php?id=3845149" target="_blank">http://www.iinet.net.au/status/fault.php?id=3845149</a></div>
<div>etc etc</div>
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<div>iiNet's CEO initially blamed Telstra for Mass Service Disruptions for slow speeds but it was not related to that.</div>
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<div>At least they're being transparent about it I guess with fault notices :)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2015 at 09:41, Shayne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shayne.mcc@gmail.com" target="_blank">shayne.mcc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:
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<p dir="ltr">I agree. The graphs were public.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Any complaints is about not being able to see them again which is a shame... and its all about pointing the blame at someone</p>
<p dir="ltr">At the end of the day it's not Ben's fault even If this article was the cause.<br />
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<div>On 05/04/2015 9:31 am, "Ben Grubb" <<a href="mailto:bgrubb@smh.com.au" target="_blank">bgrubb@smh.com.au</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">"<span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">I suggest that in future when you write a story that utilises publicly </span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">available data"</span>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">As Simon Lyall has pointed out, these were actually public graphs. There was no password protection on them.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Type "IX Australia graphs" into Google and you'll find them straight away.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">By the way, the graphs I used are actually still public - I didn't actually use the Netflix port ones as images, though I did link to them.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">There was no "redo" of the data - it was simply WYSIWYG with a grey background to compensate for the width of the article, as explained earlier. The source of the data was also clearly stated in the article.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Again, I don't understand what the complaint is. These were not super secret graphs...</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2015 at 00:02, Peter Lawler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ausnog@bleeter.id.au" target="_blank">ausnog@bleeter.id.au</a>></span> wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On 04/04/15 02:33, Ben Grubb wrote:<br />
> It's funny because I didn't<br />
> actually sensationalise it like you are suggesting</span><br />
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I suspect that point is, Ben, that you didn't need to. You've, in your<br />
mind at least, simply done your job and any collateral damage that you<br />
may have caused is none of your concern or responsibility, either<br />
morally or ethically.<br />
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I suggest that in future when you write a story that utilises publicly<br />
available data, you don't simply screenshot and rejig the background.<br />
Redo the stuff entirely, that way sources may not get pissed off at<br />
their data being used for what they may believe be purposes for which it<br />
was not intended.<br />
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Regards,<br />
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Pete.
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