[AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing

[Geordie Guy]

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'll be interested to see a definition of a "communication" and how that
> translates to the ISO stack. They don't seem to have anticipated proxies,
> tunnelling, encryption or steganography.
>

They don't care.  They want information about people, and will compel us to
provide it.  The nerd words we use like "proxies", "tunneling" or anything
ending in -ography isn't their problem. It's ours.


>
> Even (forbid) they expect netflows on everything, I doubt that will give
> them what they think they need.
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On 30 October 2014 15:21, James Morgan <James.Morgan at vernet.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I’m a particular fan of:
>>
>>
>>
>> 5. The type of communication or relevant service used in connection with
>> a communication
>>
>> The following: (a) the type of communication; Examples: Voice, SMS,
>> email, chat, forum, social media.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m just a little worried.  What about web forums that have a chat room?
>> Or email services that have an instant messaging component?  Or social
>> media that has a chat component?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think I need to lay down.
>>
>>
>>
>> James.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>> Perkins
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 30 October 2014 3:17 PM
>> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow number 3 is a bit hard. How would we work out the destination of a
>> skype call for example ?
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> On 30/10/2014 3:08 pm, Ben Cooper wrote:
>>
>> Draft Data set here:
>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/244951610/Data-Retention-Draft-Data-Set-301014
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like more than "just some IP addresses".
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Ross Wheeler <ausnog at rossw.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2014, Matt Perkins wrote:
>>
>> That fact's seem to be that this legislation will pass without
>> consultation outside the gang of 4 at least and there is little if anything
>> we can do about it. So the conversion should really switch to. What
>> technically do we need to do to meet the requirements of the legislation or
>> instruments. Can we clearly define that so people in our industry can work
>> to a place where we can all provide the same information and be sure that
>> we have not missed something that will cause grief down the track.
>>
>>
>> My local federal member has just replied to me with (in part):
>>
>> "Telecommunications companies will have up to two years to fully
>> implement the scheme.
>> To prevent any further erosion of data, industry will be required to at
>> least maintain their current practices for holding data during
>> the implementation period.
>>
>> The Government is prepared to pay a reasonable share of upfront capital
>> costs associated with the implementation of the data retention
>> scheme."
>>
>>
>> So, despite their earlier "assurances" that there is no requirement to
>> retain things like websites accessed etc, that is absolutely NOT preculuded
>> as being a (subsequent) requirement, as has been said on this list earlier.
>>
>> That is, this is absolutely "narrow end of the wedge" legislation, almost
>> certainly subject to "feature creep" (or "scope expansion") over time.
>>
>> There is a great deal we (the numerical majority) are not privy to. I
>> suspect (some of) the "gang of 4" have a lot more specific information than
>> the rest of us are permitted to know. The secrecy, haste and ignorance
>> surrounding this entire thing scares me. (I had written "astounds me" then
>> changed it to "surprises me" but in honesty with the calibre of politician
>> (and public servants) we have now (and have had for quite some time), it
>> neither surprises nor astounds me).
>>
>>
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