[AusNOG] TPG Peering

[Jared Hirst]

Yeah we are doing that with some traffic, but for gamers this is not ideal.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Nathan Sullivan <nathan at nightsys.net>
wrote:

> Being you said its 500Mbit of traffic from You -> TPG, and you can
> probably control which IX fabric to feed it into, can you just feed it into
> another state where TPG isnt so congested...? Obviously far from ideal....
> but 20~ms of latency is probably more preferably than link congestion...
> yea?
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Jared Hirst <
> jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Yeah the issue is that there is a multi level of complaints flooding in,
>> sure we can route around it to say Vocus or someone BUT they would then try
>> and just push it back through their PIPE peering to TPG.... so I am paying
>> for it to go via a transit provider to only have it sent back into the PIPE
>> peering.
>>
>> I am sure we can make some communities and traffic magic happen, but
>> that's all pointless when I am paying TPG for their PIPE peering port? So
>> why should I be penalised by them having a congested port when I am paying
>> to send them traffic anyway?
>>
>> Regardless of the costs here, I just need to get the issues resolved, I
>> have so many complaints and customers are generally un-happy, they simply
>> blame us for everything.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  What's even more interesting is that Jared wants to resolve a problem
>>>> for - who exactly ? Does it end up being that he's a content provider and
>>>> thus the eyeballs in question (gaming or otherwise) are worth $$ to him ?
>>>> In which case the discussion heads in a particular direction.  Or are the
>>>> users in question not actually his users (they're TPG's) and at which point
>>>> why would you care (business wise - I understand why everyone cares from a
>>>> good 'net perspective).  Isn't this the marketplace at work ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The answers to whose customers...everyones, really.
>>>
>>>  You have the EU -> ISP arrangement, the EU -> Content Owner
>>> arrangement, and Content Owner -> Content Hoster [SAU in this case].
>>>
>>>
>>>  The EU would get the blame game from ISP to Content Owner, Content
>>> Owner would receive the complaint and likely forward to Content Hoster,
>>> Content Hoster has identified the problem as a TPG ingress point, something
>>> he has no control over, so has no choice but to blame it back to TPG.
>>>
>>>  To his credit, he is actually trying to resolve the issue directly to
>>> stop the viscous cycle of blame.
>>>
>>>  It's a hard spot to be in.
>>>
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