[AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?
Chris Ricks
chris.ricks at securepay.com.au
Mon Jul 21 15:40:40 EST 2014
Given TPG's acquisition of AAPT and their tendency to go after market
share with price being their differentiator, is there a possibility that
TPG's pricing of transit will disrupt the GoF status quo to some degree?
Chris
On 21/07/14 15:35, Curtis Bayne wrote:
> It is somewhat ironic that the "regulation" of domestic
> interconnection resulted in the formation of a 4-way cartel which is
> nearly single-handedly responsible for inflation of domestic transit
> costs.
>
> To those arguing for more government intervention, my only thoughts
> are that the aforementioned is a prime example of how glacial the
> regulators are in comparison to the industry. Seemingly reasonable
> short term decisions can have pretty major long term impacts.
>
> We're starting to see the infrastructure rot in the last mile (aging
> DSLAMs, contented backhauls still running at 1Gbps) from the lack of
> private infastructure investment due to the now-defunct FTTP NBN.
>
> This is very dangerous territory in which to tread...
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Bevan Slattery <bevan at slattery.net.au
> <mailto:bevan at slattery.net.au>> wrote:
>
> Yes. Yahoo, Google, Akamai, Limelight, Facebook, Microsoft will
> all tell you that the cost of domestic transit in Australia is
> high when compared to most other developed countries in the world.
> So when users (consumers/voters) want to watch movies on demand
> they find themselves restricted due to copyright/studio monopolies
> establishing a different set of licensing arrangements which are
> burdensome and costly and of course geo-restricting and then a
> peering arrangement which has not changed since the late 90's
> which inhibits new entrants from firstly investing in domestic
> infrastructure and then secondly creating exciting and disruptive
> services.
>
> It is more expensive to connect to your domestic instance of
> Amazon than your US instance... considerably. The same will
> probably happen with Azure, Google Compute. All because of
> domestic transit costs. I'm not blaming those in the club -- all
> the power to them. Drink away. But this dance has been going on
> for 15 years and some how "OzEmail" are still in the GoF despite
> being a trickle in terms of traffic. The regulators have created
> an entrenched club and failed to look at what opportunities we
> have lost.
>
> What if a Nextgen or Vocus were included in a peering arrangement
> (and the terms of which are supposed to be published on the
> websites of the GoF as part of the determination)? We would have
> a really interesting player to deliver a national domestic product
> to the networks that would change the commercial paradigm
> significantly. But alas we are geo-excluded (copyright),
> commercially challenge (GoF) and soon to be further legally
> corn-holed from accessing off-shore content (Copyright Treaty).
>
> If you can't see much wrong with that picture then you may have
> spent too long sniffing the packets :)
>
> [b]
>
> From: Sam Silvester <sam.silvester at gmail.com
> <mailto:sam.silvester at gmail.com>>
> Date: Monday, 21 July 2014 2:45 PM
> To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>"
> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>>
>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering
> breakup?
>
> I'd say based on popularity Netflix seem to have what they need to
> operate just fine...again, why is this something for the
> Government to solve? Have Netflix said they have problems / see
> problems distributing content in Australia? Have other streaming
> providers?
>
> https://getpocketbook.com/blog/netflix-australia-2-stats-scare-local-players/
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Jacob Gardiner
> <jacob at jacobgardiner.com <mailto:jacob at jacobgardiner.com>> wrote:
>
> What about the potential for Australian produced content to be
> streamed to your nearest internet connected computer or
> tablet? Or better yet, exported via Netflix to a global audience?
>
> Netflix solve a distribution issue, they're not a studio. This
> being said, Netflix need the infrastructure to be present and
> that's what this conversation is about. The NBN idea was meant
> to stimulate our industry to move beyond what it is now and
> enable businesses LIKE Netflix to set up and provide new
> services to Australia. (hence my dig at our dependance on mining)
>
> IF the government was to talk to a business like Netflix and
> ask them what a fast growing online business needs to operate
> they'd hopefully be more receptive than listening to a bunch
> of complainers (I imagine the government looks at groups like
> this as whingers).
>
> netflix need - good connectivity, everywhere & local film and
> media content. - I think most people in AU want the same?
>
>
> On 21 July 2014 at 12:03:59 pm, Lincoln Dale (ltd at arista.com
> <mailto:ltd at arista.com>) wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Jacob Gardiner
>> <jacob at jacobgardiner.com <mailto:jacob at jacobgardiner.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On 21 July 2014 at 11:18:36 am, Mark Newton
>> (newton at atdot.dotat.org <mailto:newton at atdot.dotat.org>)
>> wrote:
>>> The Government is entirely impotent in this area. They
>>> cannot force an offshore provider to make decisions
>>> which are suboptimal to their business.
>>
>> This is exactly where the mindset needs to change.
>>
>> If the Government wants a business like Netflix and many
>> others to invest into Australia's market then there
>> should be incentives to do so.
>>
>>
>> umm. Just exactly what do you think the 'government' gets out
>> of Netflix and others offering services in Australia? And
>> what makes you think thats "investing in Australia" ?
>>
>> Employees in Australia? Not likely. At least not any more
>> than they would otherwise have.
>>
>> Equipment in Australia? Possibly. But I can pretty much
>> guarantee that not a single physical thing inside a server,
>> disk, NIC or switch has been manufactured in Australia.
>>
>> Netflix buying more of that 'stuff' may indirectly contribute
>> to suppliers to Netflix, but likely that doesn't magically
>> result in more tax $ to the Australian Government or
>> magically promote 'investment' in Australia.
>> You think otherwise?
>>
>>
>
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