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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Given TPG's acquisition of AAPT and
      their tendency to go after market share with price being their
      differentiator, is there a possibility that TPG's pricing of
      transit will disrupt the GoF status quo to some degree?<br>
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      Chris<br>
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      On 21/07/14 15:35, Curtis Bayne wrote:<br>
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            <div>It is somewhat ironic that the "regulation" of domestic
              interconnection resulted in the formation of a 4-way
              cartel which is nearly single-handedly responsible for
              inflation of domestic transit costs.<br>
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            To those arguing for more government intervention, my only
            thoughts are that the aforementioned is a prime example of
            how glacial the regulators are in comparison to the
            industry. Seemingly reasonable short term decisions can have
            pretty major long term impacts.<br>
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          We're starting to see the infrastructure rot in the last mile
          (aging DSLAMs, contented backhauls still running at 1Gbps)
          from the lack of private infastructure investment due to the
          now-defunct FTTP NBN.<br>
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        This is very dangerous territory in which to tread...<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Bevan
          Slattery <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:bevan@slattery.net.au" target="_blank">bevan@slattery.net.au</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>Yes.  Yahoo, Google, Akamai, Limelight, Facebook,
                Microsoft will all tell you that the cost of domestic
                transit in Australia is high when compared to most other
                developed countries in the world.  So when users
                (consumers/voters) want to watch movies on demand they
                find themselves restricted due to copyright/studio
                monopolies establishing a different set of licensing
                arrangements which are burdensome and costly and of
                course geo-restricting <span style="font-weight:bold">and</span> then
                a peering arrangement which has not changed since the
                late 90's which inhibits new entrants from firstly
                investing in domestic infrastructure and then secondly
                creating exciting and disruptive services.</div>
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              <div>It is more expensive to connect to your domestic
                instance of Amazon than your US instance… considerably.
                 The same will probably happen with Azure, Google
                Compute.  All because of domestic transit costs.  I'm
                not blaming those in the club – all the power to them.
                 Drink away.  But this dance has been going on for 15
                years and some how "OzEmail" are still in the GoF
                despite being a trickle in terms of traffic.  The
                regulators have created an entrenched club and failed to
                look at what opportunities we have lost.</div>
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              <div>What if a Nextgen or Vocus were included in a peering
                arrangement (and the terms of which are supposed to be
                published on the websites of the GoF as part of the
                determination)?  We would have a really interesting
                player to deliver a national domestic product to the
                networks that would change the commercial paradigm
                significantly.  But alas we are geo-excluded
                (copyright), commercially challenge (GoF) and soon to be
                further legally corn-holed from accessing off-shore
                content (Copyright Treaty).</div>
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              <div>If you can't see much wrong with that picture then
                you may have spent too long sniffing the packets :)</div>
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                  <span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Sam
                  Silvester <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:sam.silvester@gmail.com"
                    target="_blank">sam.silvester@gmail.com</a>><br>
                  <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Monday,
                  21 July 2014 2:45 PM<br>
                  <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "<a
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                    <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re:
                    [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering
                    breakup?<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">I'd say based on popularity Netflix
                      seem to have what they need to operate just
                      fine...again, why is this something for the
                      Government to solve? Have Netflix said they have
                      problems / see problems distributing content in
                      Australia? Have other streaming providers?<br>
                      <br>
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://getpocketbook.com/blog/netflix-australia-2-stats-scare-local-players/"
                        target="_blank">https://getpocketbook.com/blog/netflix-australia-2-stats-scare-local-players/</a><br>
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                        On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Jacob Gardiner
                        <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:jacob@jacobgardiner.com"
                            target="_blank">jacob@jacobgardiner.com</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                            <div
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                              about the potential for Australian
                              produced content to be streamed to your
                              nearest internet connected computer or
                              tablet? Or better yet, exported via
                              Netflix to a global audience?</div>
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style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">Netflix
                              solve a distribution issue, they’re not a
                              studio. This being said, Netflix need the
                              infrastructure to be present and that’s
                              what this conversation is about. The NBN
                              idea was meant to stimulate our industry
                              to move beyond what it is now and enable
                              businesses LIKE Netflix to set up and
                              provide new services to Australia. (hence
                              my dig at our dependance on mining)</div>
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                              the government was to talk to a business
                              like Netflix and ask them what a fast
                              growing online business needs to operate
                              they’d hopefully be more receptive than
                              listening to a bunch of complainers (I
                              imagine the government looks at groups
                              like this as whingers). </div>
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                              need - good connectivity, everywhere &
                              local film and media content. - I think
                              most people in AU want the same?</div>
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                                  21 July 2014 at 12:03:59 pm, Lincoln
                                  Dale (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:ltd@arista.com"
                                    target="_blank">ltd@arista.com</a>)
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                                              On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at
                                              11:49 AM, Jacob
                                              Gardiner <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                                      21 July 2014 at
                                                      11:18:36 am, Mark
                                                      Newton (<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" target="_blank">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>)
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                                                          The Government
                                                          is entirely
                                                          impotent in
                                                          this area.
                                                           They cannot
                                                          force an
                                                          offshore
                                                          provider to
                                                          make decisions
                                                          which are
                                                          suboptimal
                                                          to their
                                                          business.</span></span></div>
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                                                  <p>This is exactly
                                                    where the mindset
                                                    needs to change. </p>
                                                  <p>If the Government
                                                    wants a business
                                                    like Netflix and
                                                    many others
                                                    to invest into
                                                    Australia’s market
                                                    then there should be
                                                    incentives
                                                    to do so. </p>
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                                              <div>umm. Just exactly
                                                what do you think the
                                                'government' gets out
                                                of Netflix and others
                                                offering services in
                                                Australia? And what
                                                makes you think thats
                                                "investing in Australia"
                                                ?</div>
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                                              <div>Employees in
                                                Australia? Not likely.
                                                At least not any more
                                                than
                                                they would otherwise
                                                have.</div>
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                                              <div>Equipment in
                                                Australia? Possibly. But
                                                I can pretty much
                                                guarantee that not a
                                                single physical thing
                                                inside a server, disk,
                                                NIC or switch has been
                                                manufactured in
                                                Australia.</div>
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                                              <div>Netflix buying more
                                                of that 'stuff' may
                                                indirectly contribute
                                                to suppliers to Netflix,
                                                but likely that doesn't
                                                magically result
                                                in more tax $ to the
                                                Australian Government or
                                                magically promote
                                                'investment' in
                                                Australia.</div>
                                              <div>You think otherwise?<br>
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