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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Given TPG's acquisition of AAPT and
their tendency to go after market share with price being their
differentiator, is there a possibility that TPG's pricing of
transit will disrupt the GoF status quo to some degree?<br>
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Chris<br>
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On 21/07/14 15:35, Curtis Bayne wrote:<br>
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<div>It is somewhat ironic that the "regulation" of domestic
interconnection resulted in the formation of a 4-way
cartel which is nearly single-handedly responsible for
inflation of domestic transit costs.<br>
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To those arguing for more government intervention, my only
thoughts are that the aforementioned is a prime example of
how glacial the regulators are in comparison to the
industry. Seemingly reasonable short term decisions can have
pretty major long term impacts.<br>
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We're starting to see the infrastructure rot in the last mile
(aging DSLAMs, contented backhauls still running at 1Gbps)
from the lack of private infastructure investment due to the
now-defunct FTTP NBN.<br>
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This is very dangerous territory in which to tread...<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Bevan
Slattery <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Yes. Yahoo, Google, Akamai, Limelight, Facebook,
Microsoft will all tell you that the cost of domestic
transit in Australia is high when compared to most other
developed countries in the world. So when users
(consumers/voters) want to watch movies on demand they
find themselves restricted due to copyright/studio
monopolies establishing a different set of licensing
arrangements which are burdensome and costly and of
course geo-restricting <span style="font-weight:bold">and</span> then
a peering arrangement which has not changed since the
late 90's which inhibits new entrants from firstly
investing in domestic infrastructure and then secondly
creating exciting and disruptive services.</div>
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<div>It is more expensive to connect to your domestic
instance of Amazon than your US instance… considerably.
The same will probably happen with Azure, Google
Compute. All because of domestic transit costs. I'm
not blaming those in the club – all the power to them.
Drink away. But this dance has been going on for 15
years and some how "OzEmail" are still in the GoF
despite being a trickle in terms of traffic. The
regulators have created an entrenched club and failed to
look at what opportunities we have lost.</div>
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<div>What if a Nextgen or Vocus were included in a peering
arrangement (and the terms of which are supposed to be
published on the websites of the GoF as part of the
determination)? We would have a really interesting
player to deliver a national domestic product to the
networks that would change the commercial paradigm
significantly. But alas we are geo-excluded
(copyright), commercially challenge (GoF) and soon to be
further legally corn-holed from accessing off-shore
content (Copyright Treaty).</div>
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<div>If you can't see much wrong with that picture then
you may have spent too long sniffing the packets :)</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Sam
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Monday,
21 July 2014 2:45 PM<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re:
[AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering
breakup?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'd say based on popularity Netflix
seem to have what they need to operate just
fine...again, why is this something for the
Government to solve? Have Netflix said they have
problems / see problems distributing content in
Australia? Have other streaming providers?<br>
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Jacob Gardiner
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about the potential for Australian
produced content to be streamed to your
nearest internet connected computer or
tablet? Or better yet, exported via
Netflix to a global audience?</div>
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<div
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solve a distribution issue, they’re not a
studio. This being said, Netflix need the
infrastructure to be present and that’s
what this conversation is about. The NBN
idea was meant to stimulate our industry
to move beyond what it is now and enable
businesses LIKE Netflix to set up and
provide new services to Australia. (hence
my dig at our dependance on mining)</div>
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the government was to talk to a business
like Netflix and ask them what a fast
growing online business needs to operate
they’d hopefully be more receptive than
listening to a bunch of complainers (I
imagine the government looks at groups
like this as whingers). </div>
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need - good connectivity, everywhere &
local film and media content. - I think
most people in AU want the same?</div>
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21 July 2014 at 12:03:59 pm, Lincoln
Dale (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ltd@arista.com"
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at
11:49 AM, Jacob
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21 July 2014 at
11:18:36 am, Mark
Newton (<a
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The Government
is entirely
impotent in
this area.
They cannot
force an
offshore
provider to
make decisions
which are
suboptimal
to their
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<p>This is exactly
where the mindset
needs to change. </p>
<p>If the Government
wants a business
like Netflix and
many others
to invest into
Australia’s market
then there should be
incentives
to do so. </p>
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<div>umm. Just exactly
what do you think the
'government' gets out
of Netflix and others
offering services in
Australia? And what
makes you think thats
"investing in Australia"
?</div>
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<div>Employees in
Australia? Not likely.
At least not any more
than
they would otherwise
have.</div>
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<div>Equipment in
Australia? Possibly. But
I can pretty much
guarantee that not a
single physical thing
inside a server, disk,
NIC or switch has been
manufactured in
Australia.</div>
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<div>Netflix buying more
of that 'stuff' may
indirectly contribute
to suppliers to Netflix,
but likely that doesn't
magically result
in more tax $ to the
Australian Government or
magically promote
'investment' in
Australia.</div>
<div>You think otherwise?<br>
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