[AusNOG] "The NBN" will run on copper for *ever*

[Alex Zaia]

Agreed.

​I run a small business and on ADSL2+ we get 6mbps (stability profile
applied to stop the line dropping in and out).
This is the best we can get. This is all we can get. No one wants to do
anything about it.

We are 2km from the exchange (as informed by Telstra).​
I live in an apartment block that is also 2km from the same exchange.
I get 15mbps there. Both Telstra.

I vent my frustrations as soon as FTTN is mentioned as I see it as a
quick-fix solution. Anything to do with utilising the horrid copper that
sits below our streets at this point in time is fair to be deemed a quick
fix. Even Telstra has admitted it's degraded and needs to be replaced
<http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/telstras-copper-is-nearly-beyond-repair-and-an-absolute-disgrace-union-20131120-hv3mp.html>
.

​We won't talk about when it's raining.​

Yes. FTTN is better than what we have. Yes, it will provide a better
service than what is currently available. But in reality, it's a half arsed
job that that is going to cost us more in the long run than FTTH
<http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/549704/nbn_fttn_power_bill_89m_year_/?utm_medium=rss&utm_source=googlenewseditorspickfeed&google_editors_picks=true>.
Why not just finish it properly and implement a proper network that we can
be proud of - and that will last for decades to come. Not something that
will be outdated and continue to fall to bits over time (ie. copper).

As for the nodes in apartment blocks:
Will the copper side of this be the responsibility of strata?
Will there be an A side and B side like with the MDFs today where people
fight over ownership?

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*Alex Zaia*


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:12 PM, ComKal Networks <admin at comkal.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> > So real world scenarios will see the standard shitty average of around
> > 7mbps...which is deemed acceptable as its > 1.5mbps.
> > No light at the end of this tunnel (pun intended).
>
> I think they are literally talking about the last kilometer
> here, so speeds will be a lot better. Having fibre layed
> to each street node, then copper to each house I can see
> impressive speeds with this technology.
>
> It's not fibre to the home, and personally most people in
> the street dont really care as many of them are happy
> with wireless.. This would suit certain areas, other areas,
> not so but its a usable future technology and its good
> to see companies pushing the tech and still researching.
>
> Remember the end user's are in the real world, we tend
> to think about what we want/would like at home, we
> are not your normal end users, and this list isnt for end
> users. Sometimes we need to remind ourselves of
> were we 'should' be looking at the problem from.
>
> I get 21mbps at home, great speeds to the local exchange
> 3 blocks away, great speeds to my provider, my problem is
> from the provider onwards. Thats not going to change with
> fibre for many people.
>
> I would rather the Government stepped away, let the
> industry roll fibre, or whatever out as needed. There
> is no need for an NBN company, there is need for
> Telstra wholesale to be split off, then let the providers
> sort out the rest with reference to economics, hardware
> and need.
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> Of nowhere in particular.
>
>
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