[AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention

Wed Aug 6 14:18:32 EST 2014

just mandate the NBN does deep packet inspection and be done with it?
I mean they(5 eyes) are going to do it anyway, might as well be official 
about it.

On 06/08/14 13:35, Chris Macko wrote:
> Yeah true. Thanks for that.
>
> I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on how exactly data 
> retention will combat terrorism _within Australia (being the key 
> point)_? Or are we doing this to combat terrorism outside of 
> Australia? If that's the case, it shouldn't be our problem. We have an 
> economy to get back in order. I did read that there's an additional 
> $600m over 4 years being given to the security agencies by the Federal 
> government over the next 4 years, on top of what they already have 
> been provided (SA Advertiser). This is really a federal government 
> issue, stop making it a business problem.
>
> Seperately, I don't see how we could actually monitor and store all 
> traffic, in particular with cloud hosting provision..... in particular 
> where you have blends of dedicated / virtual and cloud hosting.
>
> A gateway approach won't work. We can't stick devices on our uplinks 
> to suppliers, we'd lose out on all the recording of internal traffic 
> between our customers. Then again, what do we monitor on, HTTP 80? So 
> an organisation just changes their website to redirect from port 80 to 
> port 8080, records the initial click but doesn't require the 
> subsequent actual site..... Do we record based upon HTML content 
> within source code? Well just lose the HTML tags.... We can't be 
> monitoring every piece of traffic, the amount of processing to do that 
> with the amount of data being generated would be stupifying.
>
> What about customers that are international that purchase dedicated / 
> virtual / cloud hosting within Australia? How many would actually 
> comply with this requirement. And how would we as service providers, 
> be able to monitor their correct compliance? We certainly wouldn't be 
> able to monitor on a server by server basis, this would be a nightmare.
>
> I think the communications minister should become a member of AUSNOG 
> if he's not already to understand the communications industry, or 
> otherwise he should be replaced with an existing member of AUSNOG, 
> someone that is involved in the communications industry.
>
> Chris
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> *From:* Skeeve Stevens [mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 August 2014 10:17 AM
> *To:* Chris Macko
> *Cc:* Ross Wheeler; <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>; Terry Sweetser
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention
>
> My worry is that with the Liberals pushing this as 'Anti-Terrorism', 
> that anyone going against it, public or other members of parliament 
> will be painted as a supporter of terrorism.
>
> What we need to do is take a specific stance... and that is that 
> security measures are good... but pointless ones are not.
>
> We SUPPORT the government doing what they need to to stop/combat 
> terrorism, but we want it to be effective and not detrimental to 
> businesses and indeed the security apparatus, whose lives will become 
> even harder if everyone jumps onto VPN's/encryptions/etc.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Chris Macko <cmacko at intervolve.com.au 
> <mailto:cmacko at intervolve.com.au>> wrote:
>
>     Skeeve - In my humble opinion, this is the largest load of rubbish
>     ever invented by the politicians we employed.
>
>     I don't see any better politicians out there on the scape though,
>     so at this stage, there's no option of re-hiring.
>
>     Seriously though, our predicament all comes down to a terrible HR
>     issue from the top!
>
>     Chris Macko
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>     *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>     <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve
>     Stevens
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 August 2014 9:18 AM
>     *To:* Ross Wheeler
>     *Cc:* <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>>;
>     Terry Sweetser
>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention
>
>     This is going to be like the last time.  If you opposed the
>     filter, you supported Child Pornography.
>
>     Now, if you oppose the data retention, you will be supporting
>     terrorism.
>
>     I wish people were smart enough to realise what these fools are
>     doing and how they are selling it.
>
>     But then again... they can't get any other legislation through,
>     will they get this through?  What is Labour and the Independents
>     view on this?  Would be interesting to know.
>
>
>     ...Skeeve
>
>     *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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>
>     On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Ross Wheeler <ausnog at rossw.net
>     <mailto:ausnog at rossw.net>> wrote:
>
>
>             By consult, are you meaning: they ask over simplistic
>             questions to ridiculously broad scenarios expecting an
>             outcome that is cheap and easy?
>
>
>         Government version of consult:
>         "You will do this, this and this. Starting tomorrow. Any
>         questions?"
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