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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">just mandate the NBN does deep packet
      inspection and be done with it?<br>
      I mean they(5 eyes) are going to do it anyway, might as well be
      official about it.<br>
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      On 06/08/14 13:35, Chris Macko wrote:<br>
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            face="Tahoma" size="2">Yeah true. Thanks for that.<br>
            <br>
            I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on how exactly
            data retention will combat terrorism
            <u>within Australia (being the key point)</u>? Or are we
            doing this to combat terrorism outside of Australia? If
            that's the case, it shouldn't be our problem. We have an
            economy to get back in order. I did read that there's an
            additional $600m over 4 years being given to the security
            agencies by the Federal government over the next 4 years, on
            top of what they already have been provided (SA Advertiser).
            This is really a federal government issue, stop making it a
            business problem.<br>
            <br>
            Seperately, I don't see how we could actually monitor and
            store all traffic, in particular with cloud hosting
            provision..... in particular where you have blends of
            dedicated / virtual and cloud hosting.<br>
            <br>
            A gateway approach won't work. We can't stick devices on our
            uplinks to suppliers, we'd lose out on all the recording of
            internal traffic between our customers. Then again, what do
            we monitor on, HTTP 80? So an organisation just changes
            their website to redirect from port 80 to port 8080, records
            the initial click but doesn't require the subsequent actual
            site..... Do we record based upon HTML content within source
            code? Well just lose the HTML tags.... We can't be
            monitoring every piece of traffic, the amount of processing
            to do that with the amount of data being generated would be
            stupifying.<br>
            <br>
            What about customers that are international that purchase
            dedicated / virtual / cloud hosting within Australia? How
            many would actually comply with this requirement. And how
            would we as service providers, be able to monitor their
            correct compliance? We certainly wouldn't be able to monitor
            on a server by server basis, this would be a nightmare.<br>
            <br>
            I think the communications minister should become a member
            of AUSNOG if he's not already to understand the
            communications industry, or otherwise he should be replaced
            with an existing member of AUSNOG, someone that is involved
            in the communications industry.<br>
            <br>
            Chris</font></span>
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        <font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Skeeve Stevens
          [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>]
          <br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 6 August 2014 10:17 AM<br>
          <b>To:</b> Chris Macko<br>
          <b>Cc:</b> Ross Wheeler; <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"><ausnog@lists.ausnog.net></a>;
          Terry Sweetser<br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">My worry is that with the Liberals pushing this as
        'Anti-Terrorism', that anyone going against it, public or other
        members of parliament will be painted as a supporter of
        terrorism.
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        <div>What we need to do is take a specific stance... and that is
          that security measures are good... but pointless ones are not.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>We SUPPORT the government doing what they need to to
          stop/combat terrorism, but we want it to be effective and not
          detrimental to businesses and indeed the security apparatus,
          whose lives will become even harder if everyone jumps onto
          VPN's/encryptions/etc. </div>
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              ...Skeeve</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Chris
          Macko <span dir="ltr">
            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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          wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Tahoma">Skeeve
                    - In my humble opinion, this is the largest load of
                    rubbish ever invented by the politicians we
                    employed.<br>
                    <br>
                    I don't see any better politicians out there on the
                    scape though, so at this stage, there's no option of
                    re-hiring.<br>
                    <br>
                    Seriously though, our predicament all comes down to
                    a terrible HR issue from the top!<br>
                    <br>
                    Chris Macko</font></span>
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                <font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> AusNOG [mailto:<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
                    target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 6 August 2014 9:18 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Ross Wheeler<br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
                    target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>>;
                  Terry Sweetser<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">This is going to be like the last time.  If
                you opposed the filter, you supported Child Pornography.
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                <div>Now, if you oppose the data retention, you will be
                  supporting terrorism.</div>
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                <div>I wish people were smart enough to realise what
                  these fools are doing and how they are selling it.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>But then again... they can't get any other
                  legislation through, will they get this through?  What
                  is Labour and the Independents view on this?  Would be
                  interesting to know.</div>
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                      ...Skeeve</div>
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                          style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">eintellego
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:29 AM,
                  Ross Wheeler <span dir="ltr">
                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      By consult, are you meaning: they ask over
                      simplistic questions to ridiculously broad
                      scenarios expecting an outcome that is cheap and
                      easy?<br>
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                    Government version of consult:<br>
                    "You will do this, this and this. Starting tomorrow.
                    Any questions?"<br>
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