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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">just mandate the NBN does deep packet
inspection and be done with it?<br>
I mean they(5 eyes) are going to do it anyway, might as well be
official about it.<br>
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On 06/08/14 13:35, Chris Macko wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="226041403-06082014"><font
face="Tahoma" size="2">Yeah true. Thanks for that.<br>
<br>
I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on how exactly
data retention will combat terrorism
<u>within Australia (being the key point)</u>? Or are we
doing this to combat terrorism outside of Australia? If
that's the case, it shouldn't be our problem. We have an
economy to get back in order. I did read that there's an
additional $600m over 4 years being given to the security
agencies by the Federal government over the next 4 years, on
top of what they already have been provided (SA Advertiser).
This is really a federal government issue, stop making it a
business problem.<br>
<br>
Seperately, I don't see how we could actually monitor and
store all traffic, in particular with cloud hosting
provision..... in particular where you have blends of
dedicated / virtual and cloud hosting.<br>
<br>
A gateway approach won't work. We can't stick devices on our
uplinks to suppliers, we'd lose out on all the recording of
internal traffic between our customers. Then again, what do
we monitor on, HTTP 80? So an organisation just changes
their website to redirect from port 80 to port 8080, records
the initial click but doesn't require the subsequent actual
site..... Do we record based upon HTML content within source
code? Well just lose the HTML tags.... We can't be
monitoring every piece of traffic, the amount of processing
to do that with the amount of data being generated would be
stupifying.<br>
<br>
What about customers that are international that purchase
dedicated / virtual / cloud hosting within Australia? How
many would actually comply with this requirement. And how
would we as service providers, be able to monitor their
correct compliance? We certainly wouldn't be able to monitor
on a server by server basis, this would be a nightmare.<br>
<br>
I think the communications minister should become a member
of AUSNOG if he's not already to understand the
communications industry, or otherwise he should be replaced
with an existing member of AUSNOG, someone that is involved
in the communications industry.<br>
<br>
Chris</font></span>
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<b>To:</b> Chris Macko<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ross Wheeler; <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"><ausnog@lists.ausnog.net></a>;
Terry Sweetser<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention<br>
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<div dir="ltr">My worry is that with the Liberals pushing this as
'Anti-Terrorism', that anyone going against it, public or other
members of parliament will be painted as a supporter of
terrorism.
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<div>What we need to do is take a specific stance... and that is
that security measures are good... but pointless ones are not.</div>
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<div>We SUPPORT the government doing what they need to to
stop/combat terrorism, but we want it to be effective and not
detrimental to businesses and indeed the security apparatus,
whose lives will become even harder if everyone jumps onto
VPN's/encryptions/etc. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Tahoma">Skeeve
- In my humble opinion, this is the largest load of
rubbish ever invented by the politicians we
employed.<br>
<br>
I don't see any better politicians out there on the
scape though, so at this stage, there's no option of
re-hiring.<br>
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Seriously though, our predicament all comes down to
a terrible HR issue from the top!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is going to be like the last time. If
you opposed the filter, you supported Child Pornography.
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<div>Now, if you oppose the data retention, you will be
supporting terrorism.</div>
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<div>I wish people were smart enough to realise what
these fools are doing and how they are selling it.</div>
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<div>But then again... they can't get any other
legislation through, will they get this through? What
is Labour and the Independents view on this? Would be
interesting to know.</div>
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Government version of consult:<br>
"You will do this, this and this. Starting tomorrow.
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