[AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention

[Chris Macko]

Yeah true. Thanks for that.

I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on how exactly data retention will combat terrorism within Australia (being the key point)? Or are we doing this to combat terrorism outside of Australia? If that's the case, it shouldn't be our problem. We have an economy to get back in order. I did read that there's an additional $600m over 4 years being given to the security agencies by the Federal government over the next 4 years, on top of what they already have been provided (SA Advertiser). This is really a federal government issue, stop making it a business problem.

Seperately, I don't see how we could actually monitor and store all traffic, in particular with cloud hosting provision..... in particular where you have blends of dedicated / virtual and cloud hosting.

A gateway approach won't work. We can't stick devices on our uplinks to suppliers, we'd lose out on all the recording of internal traffic between our customers. Then again, what do we monitor on, HTTP 80? So an organisation just changes their website to redirect from port 80 to port 8080, records the initial click but doesn't require the subsequent actual site..... Do we record based upon HTML content within source code? Well just lose the HTML tags.... We can't be monitoring every piece of traffic, the amount of processing to do that with the amount of data being generated would be stupifying.

What about customers that are international that purchase dedicated / virtual / cloud hosting within Australia? How many would actually comply with this requirement. And how would we as service providers, be able to monitor their correct compliance? We certainly wouldn't be able to monitor on a server by server basis, this would be a nightmare.

I think the communications minister should become a member of AUSNOG if he's not already to understand the communications industry, or otherwise he should be replaced with an existing member of AUSNOG, someone that is involved in the communications industry.

Chris
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From: Skeeve Stevens [mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 2014 10:17 AM
To: Chris Macko
Cc: Ross Wheeler; <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>; Terry Sweetser
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention

My worry is that with the Liberals pushing this as 'Anti-Terrorism', that anyone going against it, public or other members of parliament will be painted as a supporter of terrorism.

What we need to do is take a specific stance... and that is that security measures are good... but pointless ones are not.

We SUPPORT the government doing what they need to to stop/combat terrorism, but we want it to be effective and not detrimental to businesses and indeed the security apparatus, whose lives will become even harder if everyone jumps onto VPN's/encryptions/etc.


...Skeeve

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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Chris Macko <cmacko at intervolve.com.au<mailto:cmacko at intervolve.com.au>> wrote:
Skeeve - In my humble opinion, this is the largest load of rubbish ever invented by the politicians we employed.

I don't see any better politicians out there on the scape though, so at this stage, there's no option of re-hiring.

Seriously though, our predicament all comes down to a terrible HR issue from the top!

Chris Macko
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Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 2014 9:18 AM
To: Ross Wheeler
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention

This is going to be like the last time.  If you opposed the filter, you supported Child Pornography.

Now, if you oppose the data retention, you will be supporting terrorism.

I wish people were smart enough to realise what these fools are doing and how they are selling it.

But then again... they can't get any other legislation through, will they get this through?  What is Labour and the Independents view on this?  Would be interesting to know.


...Skeeve

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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Ross Wheeler <ausnog at rossw.net<mailto:ausnog at rossw.net>> wrote:

By consult, are you meaning: they ask over simplistic questions to ridiculously broad scenarios expecting an outcome that is cheap and easy?

Government version of consult:
"You will do this, this and this. Starting tomorrow. Any questions?"

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