[AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention
Matt Perkins
matt at spectrum.com.au
Tue Aug 5 22:45:29 EST 2014
Im sure there will be a discussion paper and a heap of talk but in the
end My employee's and I will suffer in less wages. Customer will not
except price rises with cut price big players out there. Larger guys
will make up the difference by outsourcing more overseas.
Matt.
But in the end On 5/08/2014 10:27 pm, Grahame Lynch wrote:
> We've been told at CommsDay they are going to consult - future tense
> not past
>
>
> On 5 August 2014 19:14, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au
> <mailto:matt at spectrum.com.au>> wrote:
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> http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/big-brother-is-watching-why-the-government-wants-to-keep-your-metadata/story-fnjwnfzw-1227014368716
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> The article indicates the government have consulted with ISP's No
> one consulted with us and im sure it's the same for most outside
> the gang. So they only ask the ones that can most afford these
> changes. Not every ISP has enough margin to building in all these
> types of systems (by September ?) Especially ones that do a lot of
> traffic on peers. We are scratching our heads how we capture
> metadata from 20+ gigabits of peer on a budget and then store it all.
>
> We were planing on hireing another employee this month But now we
> may need to speed 100k+ on a data retention system by September
> perhaps I should reconsider. Yes a person's real job is at stake
> vs some data that perhaps might solve a crime perhaps ?
>
> I considered putting the carbon tax separately on hosting bills
> some years back until lawyers said it was to hard. Perhaps now
> it's time to consider at data retention levy. Anyone else with me ?
>
> You know I originally started this email off with a bit of a joke
> about Proff and an Embassy in the preamble but I re-considered.
> This is such a serious subject and such a worry to smaller ISP's.
> Like with the NBN and other decisions made by both sides of
> Government. This effects real people's lives and real people's
> jobs. Decisions are made with no consideration to the impact on
> smaller ISP's . As long as the super funds and the government
> shareholding in Telstra is ok.
>
> Smaller ISP's need to plan big moves and big decision's. Products
> plan to be in the market for years and cant just be dropped
> because that network doesn't exist or now some data needs to be
> stored.
>
> If there is any Polly's reading this before you give more money to
> struggling farmers trying to maintain unsustainable farms how
> about just not meddling with the rule's for CSP/ISP's Most of us
> are sustainable if you leave us alone. We might even employ some
> people too.
>
> Matt.
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> On 5/08/2014 10:57 am, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>> The thing is.. until we're actually told what we need to do...
>> there is little point speculating about it... because it could be
>> anything - or nothing.
>>
>> CDR's are easy... we have that to do billing. Maillogs, well,
>> that is stupid since very few people use their ISP's email
>> addresses these days... most are on Gmail/Hotmail/etc.
>>
>> Web clicks.. that is a whole world of WTF...
>>
>> The whole proposal is stupid. The funny thing is that is 200k
>> (as reported) people are using VPN's to get to Netflix (as I do),
>> then we could just torrent through that anyway, and the ISP
>> wouldn't be able to see it.
>>
>> I'd love the government to try to intercept VPN's - watch
>> businesses lose their minds if that happens.
>>
>> And if they leave VPN's alone (which I imagine they'd have to),
>> then the popularity of VPN's will just go off.
>>
>> It is like when they were using the hype of predators on the
>> internet... any self respecting non-idiot predator would be using
>> a VPN or TOR, and any not, is advertising to get caught (which
>> they all should be).
>>
>> Personally, I am not anti-piracy protections, but I am heavily
>> against pointless and unenforcible policies.
>>
>> I should do a video about this :)
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Terry Sweetser (SkyMesh CTO)
>> <terry+AusNOG at skymesh.net.au
>> <mailto:terry+AusNOG at skymesh.net.au>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Noggers,
>>
>> What thoughts and plans do people have in place for the
>> possible legal requirements for data retention?
>>
>> VoIP and PSTN CDRs are very much an easy-beat, no one would
>> be discarding those as quickly as 2 years.
>>
>> But mail logs? Web clicks? What scope are we talking about
>> here? How far will we possibly (be forced to) go?
>>
>> --
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