[AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention

[Grahame Lynch]

We've been told at CommsDay they are going to consult - future tense not
past


On 5 August 2014 19:14, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au> wrote:

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> http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/big-brother-is-watching-why-the-government-wants-to-keep-your-metadata/story-fnjwnfzw-1227014368716
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> The article indicates the government have consulted with ISP's No one
> consulted with us and im sure it's the same for most outside the gang.  So
> they only ask the ones that can most afford these changes.  Not every ISP
> has enough margin to building in all these types of systems (by September
> ?) Especially ones that do a lot of traffic on peers. We are scratching our
> heads how we capture metadata from 20+ gigabits of peer on a budget and
> then store it all.
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> We were planing on hireing another employee this month But now we may need
> to speed 100k+ on a data retention system by September perhaps I should
> reconsider. Yes a person's real job is at stake vs some data that perhaps
> might solve a crime perhaps ?
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> I considered putting the carbon tax separately on hosting bills some years
> back until lawyers said it was to hard. Perhaps now it's time to consider
> at data retention levy.  Anyone else with me ?
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> You know I originally started this email off with a bit of a joke about
> Proff and an Embassy in the preamble but I re-considered. This is such a
> serious subject and such a worry to smaller ISP's. Like with the NBN and
> other decisions made by both sides of Government. This effects real
> people's lives and real people's jobs. Decisions are made with no
> consideration to the impact on smaller ISP's . As long as the super funds
> and the government shareholding in Telstra is ok.
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> Smaller ISP's need to plan big moves and big decision's.  Products plan to
> be in the market for years  and cant just be dropped because that network
> doesn't exist or now some data needs to be stored.
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> If there is any Polly's reading this before you give more money to
> struggling farmers trying to maintain unsustainable farms how about just
> not meddling with the rule's for CSP/ISP's  Most of us are sustainable if
> you leave us alone. We might even employ some people too.
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> Matt.
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> On 5/08/2014 10:57 am, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
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> The thing is.. until we're actually told what we need to do... there is
> little point speculating about it... because it could be anything - or
> nothing.
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>  CDR's are easy... we have that to do billing.  Maillogs, well, that is
> stupid since very few people use their ISP's email addresses these days...
> most are on Gmail/Hotmail/etc.
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>  Web clicks.. that is a whole world of WTF...
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>  The whole proposal is stupid.  The funny thing is that is 200k (as
> reported) people are using VPN's to get to Netflix (as I do), then we could
> just torrent through that anyway, and the ISP wouldn't be able to see it.
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>  I'd love the government to try to intercept VPN's - watch businesses
> lose their minds if that happens.
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>  And if they leave VPN's alone (which I imagine they'd have to), then the
> popularity of VPN's will just go off.
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>  It is like when they were using the hype of predators on the internet...
> any self respecting non-idiot predator would be using a VPN or TOR, and any
> not, is advertising to get caught (which they all should be).
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>  Personally, I am not anti-piracy protections, but I am heavily against
> pointless and unenforcible policies.
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>  I should do a video about this :)
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> ...Skeeve
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> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Terry Sweetser (SkyMesh CTO) <
> terry+AusNOG at skymesh.net.au> wrote:
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>> Hi Noggers,
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>> What thoughts and plans do people have in place for the possible legal
>> requirements for data retention?
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>> VoIP and PSTN CDRs are very much an easy-beat, no one would be discarding
>> those as quickly as 2 years.
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>> But mail logs?  Web clicks?  What scope are we talking about here? How
>> far will we possibly (be forced to) go?
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